Chiles v. Salazar (24-539)
argument 24-539Chiles v. Salazar
Supreme Court of the United States
1h 24m
7 speakers
8 chapters
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What is the constitutional issue at the heart of the Chiles v. Salazar case?
We will hear argument
first this morning in case twenty four five thirty nine, Childs versus Salazar. Mr Campbell. Colorado forbids counselors like Kaylee Childs from helping minors pursue state disfavored goals on issues of gender and sexuality. This law prophylactically bans voluntary conversations, censoring widely held views on debated moral, religious, and scientific questions. Aside from this law and recent ones like it, Colorado hasn't identified identified any similar viewpoint-based bans on counseling. These laws are historic outliers. In NIFLA, this court protected professional speech, highlighting the dangers of censoring private conversations between professionals and their clients. And this court rejected, by name, two lower court decisions upholding laws like Colorado's, but the Tenth Circuit gutted NIFLA's speech protection.
Colorado insists that its law is subject only to rational basis review. Yet that would Allow states to silence all kinds of speech in the counseling room, such as disfavored views on divorce or abortion. If heightened scrutiny doesn't apply, States can transform counselors into mouthpieces for the government. Here, Colorado can't satisfy any level of heightened scrutiny. It didn't seriously consider any less restrictive alternatives, and Colorado can't prove harm because it hasn't cited a study focusing on what's at issue here voluntary speech between a licensed professional and a minor. Nor can Colorado deny that many people have experienced life changing benefits from the kind of counseling that Ms.
Childs wants to provide. The First Amendment doesn't permit Colorado censorship. I welcome the Court's questions.
In its introduction uh of its brief, Colorado says that the only thing that the law prohibits therapists from doing is performing a treatment that seeks the predetermined outcome of changing a minor's sexual orientation or gender identity because the treatment is unsafe and ineffective. One, is this what Colorado argued below? And two, is that uh your reading of the Colorado statute?
Colorado took a different position below in its motion to dismiss specifically footnote three and on page 10 of its opposition to the motion for preliminary injunction. It recognized that efforts to change unwanted same-sex behavior or to reduce unwanted same-sex attraction would indeed violate the law. And that is contrary to the position it is taking now. I do think if we look at the plain language of the statute, we will find the law. That what Ms. Chiles alleges in this case falls squarely within it. The statute says that there can be no efforts to change sexual orientation or gender identity, including efforts to change behavior, gender expression, or attraction. On page 207 of the petition appendix, Ms.
Chiles alleges in her verified complaint that sometimes she helps clients who want to reduce unwanted same-sex attraction.
All of that All of that
You are right. that that fits the definition of the law. But we have been very clear in Susan B. Anthony That um there has to be a sufficiently eminent and credible threat of prosecution. We've said merely having a law on the books. is not enough. A chilling effect doesn't exist. This is an unusual case. Because we have Basically six years of no enforcement of this law Three before this lawsuit, three since. And we have the entity charged with administering the law saying we're not going to apply it. to your kind of com of therapy. So how does that fit? into being an eminent threat of prosecution. Yes, you have an argument. They've disavowed it. How does that give you standing?
I I don't believe that the state has disavowed enforcement. The state is relying on a misreading of the allegations in this claim case to say that there's no standing, but they have not disavowed enforcement. If Colorado truly believed that it wouldn't enforce the law and that Ms. Jules. So
so tell me what kind of disavow you would need to find no standing. Would it be sufficient to say that consent, which is what your complaint claim, that your therapy is consensual talk therapy where you would seek to change
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the constitutional issue at the heart of the Chiles v. Salazar case?
0:00–9:42
2
How does the Court evaluate whether Colorado’s law should be subject to strict scrutiny?
9:42–19:48
3
Why does the plaintiff argue that the law is a content‑based prior restraint?
19:48–30:02
4
What arguments are made about the standing of Ms. Childs and the threat of enforcement?
30:02–40:05
5
How do the parties distinguish professional speech from ordinary speech in this context?
40:05–50:19
6
What role does the standard of care and medical consensus play in the analysis?
50:19–1:01:24
7
How might the Court’s decision affect future regulation of conversion‑therapy‑like practices?
1:01:24–1:11:02
8
What are the parties’ final positions on whether the case should be remanded or resolved today?
1:11:02–1:24:44