Guerrero-Lasprilla v. Barr (18-776)
argument 18-776Guerrero-Lasprilla v. Barr
Supreme Court of the United States
58 min
6 speakers
8 chapters
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What is the case Guerrero‑Lasprilla v. Barr about and who are the parties?
We'll hear argument first this morning in case eighteen seven seven six seven six seven seven sixty six six six six, Guerrero Laspria versus Ovayas. and Attorney General
Barr. Mr Chief Justice, and may it please the court. Section two D provides for review of questions of law decided by the Board of Immigration Appeals. I'll start with where we and the government agree. At minimum, courts may review whether the board identified the proper legal standard. The government agrees. For this review to be meaningful and not just a requirement of correct boilerplate. Courts must determine whether the government used the proper standard. Again, the government agrees. Review extends to whether quote the board actually used the wrong standard.
How does the Court define the scope of judicial review under Section 2D of the Immigration Act?
Despite acknowledging this, the government fails to distinguish how reviewing whether the board actually used the correct standard is different than reviewing whether the board correctly applied that standard. In our view, these inquiries are effectively the same. They use the same tool. applying the correct legal standard to the facts. To the extent there is a difference, the government does not provide a test for telling them apart. Jurisdictional rules need to be clear. But the government does not explain how courts decide whether the board actually used the correct standard. Our rule is clear. There is no judicial review over historical facts. But there is review over their legal significance. The Court should adopt this construction for three reasons.
First, it accords with the essential premise of judicial review В статурі текста unmistakably established. Second, it is necessary for Congress to have fully responded to Saint Cyr.
What arguments are presented regarding the “sham” exception and the proper legal standard?
And third, it is a clear rule which is crucial to establish the boundaries of jurisdiction. Turning to what Congress needed to do in order to fully respond to Saint Cyr, there are at least four separate points that illustrate Congress had to create jurisdiction for the application of law to fact.
Well before you get to that, um I wonder if you have not read too much into the government's statement that a uh that under their theory it would be permissible for a court to review not just whether the uh the the board uh articulated the right theory but whether it actually used the right theory. When I read that I thought what they were saying was that Uh review would extend to those perhaps rare situations where although I mean it was in response to your argument that if the if the if the right standard was merely mentioned, that would be sufficient. And I thought they were just saying that if it was clear that even though the right standard was mentioned, you could see that that was not at all what was being done, that there would be review there.
So I I thought that was a very narrow exception. So the the difference between what I understood them to be arguing and your position was considerably larger than what you suggested to start out.
Well as your Honor suggests, I think the government does agree that if the the decision of the board on the face invokes the correct standard, but a reasonable reader of that decision would appreciate that that standard was not used to actually decide the case, that there would be judicial review over that. Once the government agrees with that, which I think they must, otherwise it's judicial review in substance uh or not in substance at all, only in form, once the government agrees with that, they haven't actually articulated how that test differs from applying law to fact. And our point is Well, I
think it's like a sham. It's a sham exception. So if That's really not what's going on. They're not really applying the right theory. There would be review in that situation. That's how I read it. Now Mr. Lou can correct that.
I I think a few things about that. First, I think it's very difficult to distinguish what it makes for a sham articulation of the standard versus not actually looking to dis determine whether it was properly applied. How do we determine if it was a sham?
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the case Guerrero‑Lasprilla v. Barr about and who are the parties?
0:00–1:00
2
How does the Court define the scope of judicial review under Section 2D of the Immigration Act?
1:00–2:11
3
What arguments are presented regarding the “sham” exception and the proper legal standard?
2:11–5:06
4
How do the parties interpret congressional intent after Saint Cyr and the role of mixed questions?
5:06–6:26
5
What examples illustrate the distinction between factual and legal review, such as the Katrina courthouse scenario?
6:26–8:23
6
What is the presumption of reviewability and how does it relate to separation of powers?
8:23–10:48
7
What rule does the petitioner propose to determine when courts have jurisdiction over mixed questions?
10:48–13:35
8
How does the Court conclude on the appropriate standard of review and the importance of clear jurisdictional rules?
13:35–58:14