Harry Schein, Inc. v. Archer & White Sales, Inc. (19-963)
argument 19-963Harry Schein, Inc. v. Archer & White Sales, Inc.
Supreme Court of the United States
1h 9m
6 speakers
8 chapters
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What is the central dispute over arbitration delegation in Harry Schein v. Archer & White?
We will hear argument next in case nineteen nine sixty three, Henry Schein versus Archer and White sales. Mr. Shamagam?
Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the court. This case presents an important question concerning the interpretation of agreements that delegate questions of arbitrability to the arbitrator. In its decision on remand, the Court of Appeals recognized that the arbitration agreements here contained a valid delegation. But it held that because the agreements also contained a carve out provision, they divided up responsibility for arbitrability between the arbitrator and the court. The Court of Appeals proceeded to decide the arbitrability question for itself, thus effectively negating the delegation altogether. That reasoning cannot possibly be correct, and respondent does not seriously defend it.
This court should once again vacate the Court of Appeals judgment. To do so, the Court need only apply two settled principles. First, a delegation is simply an antecedent agreement that is subject to the rules governing arbitration agreements more generally. Second, any doubts concerning the scope of arbitration agreements are resolved in favor of arbitration. And under that presumption, a carve out provision that does not speak to who should decide questions of arbitrability cannot restrict the party's delegation of those questions to the arbitrator. Respondent primarily focuses not on the question presented, but on another question, whether the incorporation of arbitration rules that authorize the arbitrator to resolve questions of arbitrability constitutes a valid delegation.
But the court correctly declined to add that question at the Certi stage because twelve circuits have held, without conflict, that the incorporation of arbitration rules is sufficient. That holding is plainly correct, and overturning those decisions without the benefit of full briefing on both sides would work an evolsive change in the law. The court should stick to the question it agreed to decide, and it should decide that question in petitioner's favor. The judgment of the Court of Appeals should be vacated. I welcome the Court's question.
Uh thank you, Council. Um when you look at the pertinent clause uh uh at issue here, Uh the one thing that's clear is that they did not want uh action seeking injunctive relief uh to be arbitrated. They they say that expressly, uh right at the outset. As soon as they say uh uh any dispute, uh uh they have the uh uh carve out uh right there. Um so they didn't want arbitrators dealing with uh actions um uh seeking injunctive relief. Now, if that's the case and it was important enough for s for them to spell it out right at the outset, wouldn't the last thing you'd think they would want is for an arbitrator to decide uh uh Which disputes qualify? I mean that would seem to follow a forciori. They don't want arbitrators deciding this.
Why would they want arbitrators to decide who gets to decide it?
Mr Chief Justice, I agree with you that the carve out provision plainly carves out actions seeking injunctive relief from the scope of the arbitration agreement. But the question we're talking about this morning is a different one. It's whether they intended to carve out disputes about who decides whether something falls within the carve out.
No, no, that was my precise question. If they don't want arbitrators around uh uh injunctive actions, why would they want arbitrators to decide who gets to decide that?
Well, I think that that's because it is highly unlikely that parties would ever want to divide up responsibility for arbitrability. After all, the whole point of a delegation is to resolve the who decides question. It's to streamline the process by having the arbitrator decide the scope of the arbitration agreement. And I think that the Court of Appeals opinion in this case well illustrates the problem uh here, because the Court of Appeals, having said that the plain language of the agreement divided up responsibility for arbitrability, proceeded itself to resolve that very arbitrability question.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the central dispute over arbitration delegation in Harry Schein v. Archer & White?
0:00–9:12
2
How does the petitioner's counsel define a valid delegation of arbitrability?
9:12–17:37
3
Why does the carve‑out for injunctive relief matter to the arbitrability question?
17:37–26:01
4
What presumption of arbitrability does the Court apply to delegation clauses?
26:01–34:33
5
How do the Justices’ questions clarify the scope of the arbitration agreement?
34:33–43:23
6
What hypothetical scenarios illustrate the conflict between court and arbitrator jurisdiction?
43:23–50:36
7
Why does the petitioner argue that the Fifth Circuit erred on the delegation analysis?
50:36–58:43
8
What is the final request to the Supreme Court and the key take‑away from the argument?
58:43–1:09:41