Law v. Siegel (12-5196)
argument 12-5196Law v. Siegel
Supreme Court of the United States
57 min
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8 chapters
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What does Section 522K of the Bankruptcy Code prohibit regarding exempt property?
We'll hear argument next in Case 12-5196, Law v. Alfred H. Siegel, Chapter 7,
Trustee. Mr. Hellman. Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court. Congress expressly prohibited what the Bankruptcy Court did here. Under Section 522K of the Code, Congress specified that a debtor's exempt property his homestead, his pension, his wedding ring, is not liable for the payment of, quote, any administrative expense.
Excuse
me, will you crank up your thing? I can't hear you quite well enough. That's good. Congress in Section 522K specified specifically that a debtor's exempt property is not liable for any administrative expense. The bankruptcy court was not free to override that express and specific prohibition in the name of equity, a point that has been clear for at least 80 years since this Court's case in Ginsburg and Sons. Instead, Congress made the judgment that debtors and their dependents, even dishonest debtors, ought not be deprived of their exempt property such that they would emerge from bankruptcy as wards of the State. Instead, Congress authorized other serious punishments for debtor misconduct. but arguments for punishment that the Code forbids must be addressed to Congress and not the supposed equitable discretion of the bankruptcy court.
Now, if I could, I'd like
to… I'm somewhat taken aback by your constant reference, your repeated references to words of the State. What we're talking about is whether your client gets $75,000. Do you think everybody who doesn't have $75,000 is a word of the State?
This is his last $75,000, Your Honor. Yeah,
well, do you know what the… the median net worth of a household in the United States is?
MR. It's about — I'm not sure what the median net
worth — MR. It's less than $70,000. So the question here is not whether he's going to be a ward of the State. The question is whether he's going to be above the median in his assets.
MR. Well, I think what's going on here, Your Honor, is actually a federalism principle Congress recognized in 522 that states, in effect, would be the ones who would have to take care of those who do not have a home, do not have tools of trade, do not have a pension. And so what 522 does is it says that if a state authorizes you an exemption and you claim it and it becomes exempt, then you get to keep it through bankruptcy law because otherwise, in effect, it is the state that ends up being required to house or support or or help those and their dependents who are deprived of essentially their last dollar, which is what is exactly the case here. Here, all of Mr. Law's creditors in this case have been paid off.
The trustee has already received approximately $280,000. We're just talking about literally, literally the last $75,000 and all of it that would be going to the trustee. I
don't follow that because I thought that $75,000 would go to satisfy — part of the claim that there would still be the legal fees unpaid.
All his creditors, the debts that existed beforehand.
Yes. But the trustee who is obliged to try to find what assets he or she can spends a huge amount of money in order to prove that this claim of a second mortgage was false. And there should be, so what happens then on your theory? That all that money was spent and the result is that the second mortgage is canceled, the creditors are satisfied, nobody pays the legal expenses, is that?
Well, the first 280,000 have been satisfied. And the trustee was not obligated by any law to pursue the administration of the estate in a way that would be cost ineffective, but our point here is that Congress had made the determination. There could be a policy discussion, of course, about whether exempt property ought to be allowed to go to the administrative costs of the estate or to pre-petition creditors in situations in which their court finds litigation misconduct. But that is not the judgment Congress made. What
was the trustee supposed to do? Suppose the trustee has a meter running on his desk and he's hot in pursuit of this phantom Lily Lin of China.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What does Section 522K of the Bankruptcy Code prohibit regarding exempt property?
0:00–7:15
2
How does Congress balance debtor exemptions with penalties for misconduct?
7:15–15:07
3
Why is the $75,000 exemption at issue and how does it relate to the median household net worth?
15:07–21:38
4
What authority does a bankruptcy trustee have to pursue fraudulent claims and incur costs?
21:38–29:04
5
How do Section 105A and the Court’s inherent power interact with exempt property sanctions?
29:04–36:04
6
What precedent does the Ginsburg case provide on arrest warrants and exempt property?
36:04–43:01
7
When can a court override an exemption under Section 522L or 522K?
43:01–49:35
8
What are the arguments for and against allowing sanctions to be satisfied from exempt assets?
49:35–57:36