Moore v. Texas (15-797)

argument 15-797

Moore v. Texas

Supreme Court of the United States 1h 2m 5 speakers 8 chapters transcribed 4 days ago official recording ↗
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What is the central legal issue being argued in Moore v. Texas?

John G. Roberts 0:00
We'll hear argument this morning in case fifteen seven nine nine
Paul D. Clement 0:03
seven, Moore versus Texas.
Mr.
Paul D. Clement 0:05
Sloan. Mr Chief Justice, and may it please the Court. In Atkins versus Virginia, this court held that the Eighth Amendment prohibits executing people who are intellectually disabled. And in Hall versus Florida, this court reiterated that the inquiry into whether somebody is intellectually disabled for that important Eighth Amendment purpose should be informed by the medical community's diagnostic framework and by clinical standards. Texas has adopted a unique approach to intellectual disability in capital cases, in which it prohibits the use of current medical standards. It relies on harmful and inappropriate lay stereotypes, including the so-called Brosenio factors. It uses an extraordinary, virtually insuperable and clinically unwarranted causation requirement and most fundamentally
Paul D. Clement 1:00
It challenges and disagrees with this Court's core holding in Atkins, namely that the entire category of the intellectually disabled, every person who is intellectually disabled, is exempt from execution under the Eighth Amendment.
John G. Roberts 1:18
That is a long, laundry list of objections you have. Your question presented though focused only on one, which is that Um it prohibits the use of current medical standards and requires outdated medical standards. And I think several of the other points you made are not encompassed within that question presented. uh uh and maybe there are questions that should be looked at, but they don't seem to be covered by that. I mean I mean in in what You mentioned the correspondence with clinical uh uh practices. I has that changed? Did Texas similarly depart from clinical practices under the old standard as it is under the new?
Paul D. Clement 1:59
Um it it it did. The prohibition on the use of current medical standards aggravates and exacerbates that. But l uh if I could address Your Honor's question about the the question presented, because I'd like to make two points with regard to that, Your Honor, which is that first of all The it it is woven into the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals decision and the judgment that is before the court, because the Texas Court grounded its determination on the prohibition of uh consulting and using current medical standards on its Prosenio opinion and Prossenio framework. And the Court said what we decided in Prosenio in two thousand four, that framework governs, uh including the the clinical standards at the time.
Paul D. Clement 2:40
but also its view that medical standards generally are exceedingly subjective. That was very important to the Court in its determination here. It is a six A of the petition appendix. Well Mr. So I have the
Anthony M. Kennedy 2:51
same question as the Chief Justice has it i it it just seems to me the question presented doesn't cut to the heart of the case as you describe it. My understanding of your argument and again I don't think it's wholly reflected in that question. Is it whether you use The most current or Even of of s s slightly slightly older medical standards, there's still a conflict. Am I right about that? That that's your theory?
Paul D. Clement 3:19
Yes, Your Honor. And if I could add one point, though, it is that the current clinical standards accentuate the conflict, make it even more clear. And what has happened with the
Anthony M. Kennedy 3:30
Mr. Sloan? We could say that the Broseno standards are in conflict with the old Atkins standards as well as the new ones. There wouldn't need to be a difference between the old ones and the new ones for you to win this case. That's correct, Your Honor.
John G. Roberts 3:45
But you got in the door by a question presented that is a little more eye catching. uh which is that they prohibit the current standards and rely on the outdated one. That's all it says. And I'm just wondering if you uh uh got yourself in the door with the with the dramatic question presented and are now going back to A concern that was just as present as I understand your argument under the old standards.
Paul D. Clement 4:10
So two points on that, Your Honor. First, again, as I was saying, it is it is woven into the Court of Criminal Appeals decision.

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