National Pork Producers v. Ross (21-468)
argument 21-468National Pork Producers v. Ross
Supreme Court of the United States
2h 12m
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8 chapters
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What is Proposition 12 and why is it being challenged?
You'll hear argument first this morning in Case 21-468, National Pork Producers v. Ross. Mr. Bishop.
Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court, the facts we allege are assumed to be true for purposes of decision here. They state a claim that Proposition 12 violates the Commerce Clause almost per se because it's an extraterritorial regulation that conditions pork sales on out-of-state farmers adopting California's preferred farming methods and for no valid safety reason. Proposition 12 also fails the Pike test because it burdens interstate commerce for no local benefit. California wants to change farming methods everywhere to, quote, prevent animal cruelty by phasing out extreme methods of farm animal confinement. That confinement occurs in other states. California imports 99.9% of its pork. Decisions like Baldwin establish that
that even when a law is triggered only by in-state sales, a state may not project its legislation into other states in that way. To do so infringes the territorial autonomy of sister states, and it impedes our national common market. No other state makes its farmers house pigs the way that California does, and very few farmers do. They keep sows in individual pens during the vulnerable breeding period, and they provide less than 24 square feet of space in group pens. An Iowa farmer doesn't know where pork from his salves will be sold. Pigs go to a nursery, a finisher, then a slaughterhouse where the packer butchers them into parts that are sold around the world in response to demand. The only safe course is to raise all pigs the California way, which is what we see buyers demanding.
And the cost of doing that in here in pork parts sold in places where buyers are unwilling to pay more to satisfy California's policy preferences. If Proposition 12 is lawful, New York can say that pigs have to have 26 feet of space and send inspectors into farms to police compliance as California does. Oregon can condition imports on workers being paid the minimum wage, and Texas can condition sales on the producer employing only lawful U.S. residents. And at that point, We have truly abandoned the framers' idea of a national market. I invite the Court's questions.
Mr. Bishop, when exactly is an intrastate regulation impermissibly extraterritorial? Because as I read California's law, it is about products being sold in California. unlike some of the cases you cite, it's not reaching out and regulating something across state line or regulating prices?
Well, the test that we propose is that a state law that conditions sales on an out-of-state business operating in a particular way is
almost... And how does California exactly do that?
You cannot sell pork... in California unless you raise your sows in a particular way out of state. It's a condition on sale. That's very little different from Baldwin. Baldwin conditioned the sale of milk in New York predicated on the, um, Vermont producer being paid the New York rate. And it did that, uh, because it thought that it was necessary to pay Vermont farmers that much in order for them to use sanitary methods on the dairy.
This
court held that
New York did not
project its legislation that way.
But what if, what if California, I'm sorry to interrupt you, I apologize, uh, What if California said a house has to be built according to certain rules, by certain standards, with certain products, hence excluding products that are made in another state? For example, it says that you can't build a house entirely out of wood, so you can't import wood from another state that's a lumber state like Georgia.
That's different, Justice Thomas.
Why is it? I mean, it's affecting your product extraterritorially.
No, a state may ban a product. There's no doubt about that. It could ban pork. It can ban lumber to be used in building houses. What it can't do is condition sales in the state on a business in another state adopting particular methods of production. That tramples on the other states' rights.
It says that if you want to import firewood into the state, you have to have used a certain kind of pesticide to make sure that various pests don't come in with the firewood.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is Proposition 12 and why is it being challenged?
0:00–16:01
2
How does the petition argue that conditioning sales on out‑of‑state practices violates the Commerce Clause?
16:01–31:57
3
What role does labeling play in the Court’s analysis of extraterritorial regulation?
31:57–47:22
4
How does the Pike balancing test apply to the alleged burden of Proposition 12?
47:22–1:06:01
5
Why do the parties dispute whether moral concerns constitute a legitimate local interest?
1:06:01–1:22:23
6
What is the significance of the per‑se rule versus a balancing approach?
1:22:23–1:42:16
7
How does the motion‑to‑dismiss stage affect the parties’ arguments about costs and evidence?
1:42:16–1:57:44
8
What evidence do the pork producers present regarding costs and market impact?
1:57:44–2:12:05