North Carolina State Bd. of Dental Examiners v. FTC (13-534)

argument 13-534

North Carolina State Bd. of Dental Examiners v. FTC

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What is the central legal issue in North Carolina State Board of Dental Examiners v. FTC?

John G. Roberts 0:01
We'll have an argument next in case thirteen five thirty four, North Carolina State Board of Dental Examiners versus the Federal Trade Commission. Mr. Mupan.
Michael D. Mupin 0:10
Mr Chief Justice, and may it please the court. A state regulatory agency does not lose its state action antitrust immunity simply because the agency is run by part time public officials who are also market participants in their personal capacities. The FTC's contrary position that the agency's officials must be disinterested cannot be reconciled with this Court's jurisprudence for three reasons. First, respect for federalism requires deference to a state's sovereign choices concerning how to structure and manage its own regulatory agencies. Second, the regulatory conduct of public officials who are also market participants cannot properly be equated with the conduct of private business people. And third, the FTC's position would be massively and needlessly disruptive.
Michael D. Mupin 0:57
States obtain valuable benefits from using market participants as part time public officials. They gain the benefits of their expertise and they gain the benefits of not having to have a full time bureaucracy with a full salary.
Samuel A. Alito 1:09
Is this a is it a question of federal law or a question of state law, whether the members of these whether this board is a state uh instrumentality?
Michael D. Mupin 1:19
Ultimately whether this board should be entitled to state action immunity is a question of federal law. But in whether characterizing the board as public or private, we submit that after an extraordinary circumstances, the Federal federal court should treat a state's designation of a state entity as public. And that when that entity is charged with public duties as a state entity. Trevor Burrus, Well if
Samuel A. Alito 1:42
you agree that a state can't simply deem something that for all other purposes is private to be a state entity or instrumentality, there has to be some test. So what
Michael D. Mupin 1:53
would the test be? So we think the f the fundamental key is that it's not just that they're designated as state officials, but they are charged with a state law duty to enforce state law. They are not acting pursuant to their unfettered private discretion to choose whatever uh regul whatever choices maximize their personal profit. They are obligated
Unknown 2:11
in in this case they didn't. enforce state law. One puzzle in this case Why should there be an antitrust exemption? for conduct that is not authorized by state law. The objection here was it This board was issuing a whole bunch of cease and desist orders. I had no authority to do that, no authority at all.
Michael D. Mupin 2:34
Well, two points about that, Your Honor. First, it's not quite right to say that this board didn't have authority to issue these letters. It is true that the board doesn't have authority to issue self executing orders akin to an injunction, but it is also true that the board has authority to send letters to prospective non dentist saying that if you don't cease and desist your conduct, we will sue you. The only question in this case uh in terms of state law authority is whether the wording of these letters was somehow problematic. No state court has ever determined that that is a problem, and more fundamentally, all of that is a question about whether there's a clear articulation here. And the FTC has assumed that there is a clear articulation.
Anthony M. Kennedy 3:11
Mupin, can I take you back to Justice Alito's question? Because I think you said in response that the question that the answer was uh has the state um uh uh asked uh the the the uh organization to enforce state law and given entrusted them with that responsibility. So suppose a state just looked around and found a trade association and said, We think that that trade association is going to be a very good uh enforcer of state law. And and s and made the Trade Association a state entity. That's the board that's going to regulate this industry. Would that be sufficient?
Michael D. Mupin 3:49
If they had a state if they took an oath to the state to enforce state law, if they were subject to the traditional duties that a public entity has, if they had to comply with the administrative procedures act,

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