Rehaif v. United States (17-9560)
argument 17-9560Rehaif v. United States
Supreme Court of the United States
55 min
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8 chapters
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What is the legal significance of knowingly violating 922(g) under the Firearm Owners Protection Act?
We'll hear argument next in Case 179560,
Ruhif v. United States. Ms. Kakmes. Thank you, Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court. To knowingly violate 922G, one must know the crucial fact that transforms his otherwise innocent firearm possession into a 10-year felony. That fact is his status. Applying a knowledge requirement to that fact makes sense because ordinarily a Firearm possession is lawful and, in fact, in most cases, constitutionally protected. So it only makes sense that a person should be required to know he fits within that status before his firearm possession becomes illegal. What do you do in this very same statute? There are crimes where the legislature has said explicitly that well, let's take 922D. It says selling firearms to one that the defendant knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a felon.
So that makes, there's a case where the status felon has to be known to the defendant. But in the, what is it, 922G, we don't have that knowing requirement. So why should we insert it when it's not there? Because 924A2 states that the person must knowingly violate 922G. Knowingly modifies the verb violate and the direct object, 922G. Several of the provisions that are listed in 922 for A2 do have other types of knowledge requirements, but the knowingly still forms the default or the baseline knowledge if there is not an otherwise inserted knowledge. Additionally, this Court's precedent, and that makes sense in light of this Court's precedent, which attaches amends rea to every element that criminalizes otherwise innocent conduct.
In fact, this Court does so even when knowingly is not in the statute. The Court reads it in. Here, Congress wasn't silent. It put knowingly in the statute for a purpose. Do you agree that there is no mens rea element attached to the jurisdictional element? Yes, Your Honor. And so what is the difference between the two? This Court has carved out a very narrow exception for jurisdiction because that relates only to the power of the Congress to legislate, whereas the In our instance, we're talking about a substantive fact, something that criminalizes otherwise innocent conduct, something that goes to the defendant's culpability.
But isn't the theory behind the conclusion that there's no mens rea element for a jurisdictional element, the inference that this is not the kind of element for which Congress want it to have a mental element. It's an inference about congressional intent. Would you agree to that?
No, Your Honor. I would respectfully submit it is an exception carved out by the Court. Yeah, and what's
the basis for the exception? Why have we carved out that exception?
In the Commerce Clause, for example, the defendant's conduct is not related to that interstate transportation. There's no requirement that the defendant himself must Transport the firearms in interstate commerce. Well, Congress could attach a
mental element to that. Could it not?
Yes, it could. All right. And
so why
do we
infer that it didn't?
Because that goes to Congress's power to legislate and not to the defendant's conduct, whereas the status — No,
no. Congress could attach a mental element to the jurisdictional element. Right. It could, right? Yes, sir. We infer — we say, but it didn't. Yes, sir. And why do we say that?
Again, because of the difference that's being targeted. The defendant's conduct is not being targeted by that element. Why?
Why do we say that it's — I'll try one final time. What is the theory behind the conclusion that Congress did not want the mental element to apply to the — the mental requirement to apply to the jurisdictional
element? And again, from what I've gleaned from this Court's cases, it's that the defendant's culpability is not an issue.
The blameworthiness of the defendant is not, right?
Yes,
sir. In those elements, because whether you knew about the jurisdictional hook doesn't really go, we've assumed, to your blameworthiness, whereas whether you knew the elements of the offense, the other elements of the offense do, right? Yes, Your
Honor. Thank you.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the legal significance of knowingly violating 922(g) under the Firearm Owners Protection Act?
0:00–6:07
2
How does the Court interpret the knowledge requirement for a defendant’s status under 922(g)?
6:07–13:49
3
Why does the argument focus on Congress’s intent to include or exclude mens‑rea for status elements?
13:49–22:37
4
What are the practical consequences of requiring proof of status knowledge in felon‑in‑possession cases?
22:37–29:02
5
How might habeas corpus relief be affected if the Court adopts a knowledge requirement?
29:02–35:23
6
What examples illustrate situations where a defendant may reasonably not know their legal status?
35:23–42:18
7
How do state firearms statutes compare to the federal approach on knowledge of status?
42:18–48:46
8
What is the petitioner's ultimate request to the Supreme Court regarding the mens‑rea presumption?
48:46–55:17