Rodriguez v. FDIC (18-1269)
argument 18-1269Rodriguez v. FDIC
Supreme Court of the United States
59 min
6 speakers
8 chapters
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What body of law should determine ownership of consolidated tax refunds?
We'll hear argument first this morning in case eighteen twelve sixty nine Rodriguez versus
the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. Mr. Reich? Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the court. The question presented in this case is what body of law courts should apply to determine ownership of consolidated tax refunds. In our view, the answer to that question is straightforward. Courts should apply state law. That's the body of law that virtually always governs property rights disputes in our federal system, and here the political branches have not displaced that traditional area of state power, either by statute or by federal regulation. The FDIC takes a different approach, although exactly what that approach is has changed somewhat over the course of this litigation. In the lower courts, the FDIC advocated a rule of federal common law, known as the Bob Richards rule, which holds that ownership of a tax refund presumptively resides with the subsidiary whose losses gave rise to that refund.
That's the rule the FDIC has advocated for decades, and that's the rule the Tenth Circuit applied below. But in this court, the government has abandoned any defence of the Bob Richards rule, and as our opening brief explains, that rule fails every test this court has established for the creation of federal common law and contravenes the tax laws themselves. Instead, the government advocates a brand new rule, one that it's never pressed in the lower courts and that, to our knowledge, no court has ever adopted. But this rule suffers from an even more basic flaw than Bob Richards itself. It simply assumes the answer to the very ownership question at issue. The government's argument starts from the premise that where a parent has agreed to pay its subsidiary the amount of a tax refund, the subsidiary has been vested with ultimate entitlement to the refund itself.
That assumption serves as the load bearing pillar of the government's entire argument, yet it has no basis in state law. The government disclaims any argument it is grounded in federal law, and it can't even find footing in the in the Ninth Circuit's nineteen seventy three Bob Richards decision. Starting with state law, it's simply not the case that where a parent agrees to pay its subsidiary the amount of a refund, the subsidiary necessarily has any property rights in the refund itself. Rather, there are two possible ways of characterizing that payment obligation, which have substantially different legal consequences. You now said your question presented was about Bob Richards. say that the government has abandoned
that position. The tenth circuit, on the other hand. The opinion is shot through with quotes from the contract and what the tenth circuit said. it it was examining the party's agreement. to determine whether parent or sub gets this. So it seems that the Tenth Circuit, while it might have cited Bob Richards, was relying On contract interpretation. Why should we take up Bob Richards at all in this case? Because both sides agree that that's not what should be dispositive. And the tenth circuit said, here we have a contract Calls for contract interpretation. State law. Contract interpretation. The question presented it seems has now vanished from the case. I think the Bob Richards rule was critical to the Tenth Circuit's decision, and you can tell that both from what the Tenth Circuit said and what the Tenth Circuit did.
What the Tenth Circuit said on page 18A of the petition appendix is that Bob Richards, quote, clearly applies to this case and provides the general framework we must apply uh uh w in resolving the party's dispute. It then went on to say that what Bob Richards requires is that the the written terms of the contract unambiguously deviates from the Bob Richards rule. So it it understood Bob Richards as establishing a clear statement rule, which is the understanding that the lower courts generally have of Bob Richards and that the FDIC itself has advocated for decades. And then when the Court went on to analyze the agreement, it didn't apply the ordinary rules of state agency law to determine whether an agency relationship had been created here.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What body of law should determine ownership of consolidated tax refunds?
0:00–7:40
2
How does the Bob Richards rule affect the ownership analysis?
7:40–14:22
3
Why does the government abandon the Bob Richards rule in this case?
14:22–21:39
4
How do the parties’ contract terms shape the ownership question?
21:39–29:10
5
When does state agency law apply to the parent‑subsidiary relationship?
29:10–37:07
6
What role do IRS regulations play in determining equitable title?
37:07–45:03
7
Why is there a circuit split over the Bob Richards rule and its applicability?
45:03–54:19
8
Should the Supreme Court affirm the judgment based on state law or remand for clarification?
54:19–59:54