Texas v. New Mexico and Colorado (141-Orig_2)
argument 141-Orig_2Texas v. New Mexico and Colorado
Supreme Court of the United States
1h 8m
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8 chapters
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What is the United States’ core claim in the Texas v. New Mexico & Colorado water dispute?
Argument next uh in case one hundred forty one on the original docket, Texas against New Mexico and Colorado. Mr. DeLu?
Mr Chief Justice, and may it please the court. A consent decree requires consent. The proposed consent decree in this case, however, would dispose of the United States claims without its consent. The decree would impose obligations on the United States without its consent. And the decree would bind the United States to an interpretation of the Rio Grande Compact that is contrary to the compact itself. For each of those reasons, the proposed decree should be rejected. I want to emphasize why the United States is here today. The Compact apportions the water below Elephant Butte. The Compact does so by incorporating and protecting the delivery of water by the Rio Grande Project to Mexico and to two irrigation districts, one in New Mexico and the other in Texas.
The United States intervened in this case to enforce the Compact's protective of the project. As New Mexico acknowledges, the Compact imposes on New Mexico a duty not to interfere with the project's delivery of water. The United States claims that New Mexico is violating that duty by allowing too much groundwater pumping. Six years ago, this Court uh upheld the United States' right to pursue those compact claims, recognizing that the United States has distinctively federal interests in protecting the supply and the allocation of Project Water. Those distinctively federal interests are why the United States is still here today. In the United States view, the proposed decree fails to address the groundwater pumping that precipitated this suit in the first place.
Instead, the proposed decree would allow that pumping to continue at unsustainable levels, and it would not stop that pumping from taking water from the project's beneficiaries namely the two irrigation districts and uh and uh and Mexico. The proposed decree would thus fail to protect the project or the compact's apportionment, and that is why the United States could not give its consent to this proposed decree. I welcome the Court's question.
Mr. Liu uh does the United States have uh a claim that's independent of the States?
Of course we do, Justice Thomas.
What is what is that claim?
That's the claim that we've brought since the beginning of this case. It's the claim that this court held in twenty eighteen is a claim we that it's backed by distinctively federal interests. It's a claim that says New Mexico is violating its delivery obligation under the compact.
Is that a claim that we would normally look at in an uh original action or uh is that a claim that could be vindicated in another forum?
It's not a claim that can be vindicated in another form. I think it's actually a perfect fit for this this court's original jurisdiction because it is a claim arising under an interstate commerce that we have brought against another sovereign state. That's precisely the sort of disputes that I think this court has long held is appropriate for this court to arise to to exercise original jurisdiction over.
Uh you're an interven the US is an intervener, right?
Correct.
Uh when you intervened, I thought our understanding was that you were uh con your your uh interest was consistent with that of the state of Texas.
Yes, and our and to be clear, our underlying claims uh are exactly the same as they were
Well, but Texas and New Mexico and it's rare that we have the states who actually agree on anything, but Texas and New Mexico have agreed. So what If your interest is the same as Texas's interests, then why are you still here?
No, I want to distinguish between two things. Our our claims are the same. The claims are the same, but our interests have always been different. I mean that was the point of the twenty eighteen decision. If our interests were the same, then you know that that's basically what the state said six years ago. The the United States has the same interests, so just let them remain as amicus in this case, supporting Texas.
Right. I uh uh as I recall it, and I've I pulled it up 'cause I it didn't quite match what I thought I heard you say, we said that this case does not present the question whether the United States could initiate litigation to force a state to perform its obligations under the compact or expand the scope of an existing controversy.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the United States’ core claim in the Texas v. New Mexico & Colorado water dispute?
0:00–8:50
2
How does the U.S. argue that the proposed consent decree would violate the Rio Grande Compact?
8:50–16:10
3
Why does the United States say its interests differ from Texas’s despite sharing the same claims?
16:10–24:41
4
What is the significance of the 1938 baseline versus the D‑2 baseline in the water‑allocation debate?
24:41–32:26
5
How would the consent decree affect groundwater pumping and the project’s long‑term viability?
32:26–42:49
6
Can the United States pursue its interference claim in another forum, or must it stay in this original‑jurisdiction case?
42:49–50:45
7
What role do the downstream contracts and the Mexico treaty play in the Court’s analysis?
50:45–58:19
8
Why does the United States contend that the consent decree should be denied as an improper imposition on a non‑consenting party?
58:19–1:08:39