Town of Greece v. Galloway (12-696)
argument 12-696Town of Greece v. Galloway
Supreme Court of the United States
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8 chapters
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What is the legal issue at the heart of Town of Greece v. Galloway?
We'll hear argument first this morning in case twelve six ninety six, the town of Greece versus Galloway. Mr. Hungar?
Thank you, Mr Chief Justice, and may it please the court. The Court of Appeals correctly held that the legislative prayers at issue in this case were not offensive in the way identified as problematic in Marsh. But the Court then committed legal error by engrafting the endorsement test onto Marsh as a new barrier to the practice of legislative prayer.
Mr. Hunker, I'm wondering what you would think of the following. Suppose that as we began this session of the court. The Chief Justice had called a minister up to the front of the courtroom, facing the lawyers, maybe the parties, maybe the spectators. And the minister had asked everyone to stand and to bow their heads in prayer. The Minister said the following. He said We acknowledge the saving sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross. We draw strength from his resurrection. Blessed are you who has raised up the Lord Jesus, you who will raise us in our turn. and put us by his side. The members of the court who had stood. Responded Amen. Made the sign of the cross. and the Chief Justice then called your case.
Would that be permissible?
I don't think so, Your Honor. And obviously this case doesn't present that question because what we have here is a case of legislative prayer and the Marsh Doctrine, which recognizes that the history of this country from its very foundations and founding recognize the propriety of legislative prayer of the type of the fact that we're not going to be able to do that. So you are making a
distinction just between the legislature and any other uh uh official proceeding, is that correct?
Well clearly marsh involves legisl legislative prayer. The the tradition that we rely on involves legislative prayer and this case involves legislative prayer. Whether what what rule might apply in other contexts would deflect depend on the phone.
Same kinds of uh statements, same uh sort of context, except it's not in a courtroom. Uh instead it's in a congressional hearing room. Maybe it's a confirmation hearing. Maybe it's an investigatory hearing of some kind. And that a person is sitting at a table in front of the members of a committee, ready to testify, ready to dis uh uh uh uh uh give his testimony in support of his nomination, the minister says the exact same thing.
I think that's a that's a closer question because of the congressional history, but of course, at least as far as I'm aware, the hi this history is a applies to the legislative body as a whole, not to committees, but it would be a different question, one obviously important distinguishing factor there, in addition to the fact that it is not the legislative body as a whole. We should be compelled to attend and uh testify under oath, which is a different situation from the one here. Why is it that we're not going to be able to do that?
that uh the next day before the same committee. Uh A Well that's right. Would. lead the invocation. And the day after that, uh an Orthodox Jew. I mean it's it makes a difference whether it's uh Mm-hmm. Just one uh one denomination that is being uh uh used as as chaplain or uh open to various denominations.
That's correct, Your Honor. That's why we believe this case is actually an easier case than Marsh, because in Marsh there was a paid chaplain from the same denomination for sixty years.
Is that correct, Mr. Hunker? For eleven years the prayers sounded almost exclusively like the ones that I read. And one year on four occasions. uh there was some attempts to vary it up, to have a Baha'i Minister or uh uh a Wiccan or Um but uh for the most part Not out of any malice or anything like that, but because this is what the people in this community uh uh knew and were familiar with and what most of the ministers were. Uh most of the prayers sounded like this.
Well No, I mean i it's clearly not correct that most of the prayers sounded like the one you just read. Most
that wouldn't matter as I understand, because you have You ha you have two limitations, proselytizing
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the legal issue at the heart of Town of Greece v. Galloway?
0:01–6:46
2
How does the Court of Appeals’ decision differ from the Marsh precedent?
6:46–15:23
3
What hypothetical prayer did Justice Kagan propose and why might it be unconstitutional?
15:23–23:45
4
How do the parties define and argue about coercion in legislative prayer?
23:45–31:07
5
What historical evidence is offered to support the tradition of legislative prayer?
31:07–38:31
6
What remedies and policy changes do the respondents suggest to avoid sectarian prayer?
38:31–45:13
7
How do the justices evaluate the balance between free‑exercise and establishment clauses?
45:13–52:23
8
What conclusions do the parties reach about the constitutionality of town‑meeting prayers?
52:23–1:00:17