Wilkinson v. Ming Dai (19-1155)
argument 19-1155Wilkinson v. Ming Dai
Supreme Court of the United States
1h 35m
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8 chapters
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What is the statutory burden of proof for asylum and how does credibility factor into it?
We will hear argument this morning in case nineteen eleven fifty five, Wilkinson versus Die, and the consolidated case. Missdack?
Mr Chief Justice, and may it please the court. Under the plain text of the INA, an alien has the burden of ellis establishing eligibility for asylum and withholding of removal. An alien may sometimes meet that burden through his credible testimony, but only when, among other things, the testimony is persuasive and outweighs other evidence of record. Accordingly, it is now common ground that the absence of an adverse credibility determination does not entitle an alien to a presumption of truth. Rather, a reviewing court should consider whether the agency's non credibility related reasoning is supported by substantial evidence. These now undisputed principles demonstrate that the Ninth Circuit aired.
In Dai, the agency pointed to ample evidence undermining the persuasiveness of Dai's testimony regarding his family's persecution. including undisputed evidence of his wife's voluntary return to China. The Ninth Circuit rejected the agency's reasoning because it concluded that the absence of an adverse credibility determination entitles a reviewing court to disregard some record evidence and to treat the aliens' allegations of persecution as fact. Similarly, in Alcaraz, the Court of Appeals expressly relied on the erroneous principle that the absence of an adverse credibility determination permits a presumption of truth, and it applied that presumption to justify ignoring the ample evidence underlying the agency's determination that Alcaraz committed a particularly serious crime when he willfully inflicted corporal injury on the seventeen year old mother of his child.
The Ninth Circuit therefore subverted the statutory scheme that Congress created. Rather than placing the burden on the alien, the court presumed the truth of the alien's testimony. And rather than deferring to the agency's reasonable fact finding, it supplanted the agency's judgment with its own. Accordingly, the Court of Appeals decisions cannot stand.
Um counsel, the the BIA has to apply the uh rebuttable presumption of credibility, right?
Yep, correct.
Okay, so then the Court of Appeals in conducting the substantial evidence uh review uh uh should it seems to me do that through the lens of that presumption or uh uh take that presumption into account in concluding whether the evidence is substantial. Why why isn't that true?
If the agency did not address credibility at all, either explicitly or the board can implicitly address it, then the reviewing court shouldn't address credibility either. So it doesn't need to concern itself with the presumption that the board uh would have had to apply, because it should just be evaluating whether the non credibility related reasoning is supported by substantial evidence. So the presumption doesn't enter the picture at all.
Well I mean you said explicitly or implicitly, um If it's implicitly, I think that raises the uh uh Chenery objection that your friends on the other side have stressed uh quite a bit. And I'd like you to talk about it because um you know there was one stray site that Chenery in your opening brief, um, and then you had, I would say, the bulk of the argument uh on the other side in in both of the briefs, or at least a big chunk of. Of it. And it wasn't cited at all in your reply brief. So I I'd like to give you a chance to respond to their Chenery argument, which is that you rely on saying there can be an implicit finding, and yet under Chenery we'd like to make sure that that's something the agency relied on.
And I don't think we can be sure of that if they didn't say anything.
Well ab uh absolutely we we completely embrace tenery and as I believe we stated in our reply brief, we agree that the uh agency's path needs to be clearly discerned. That's what uh tenery requires. But if the agency's path, if the board's path is can be clearly discerned and it's clear that the board was relying on um credibility uh for denying eligibility
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the statutory burden of proof for asylum and how does credibility factor into it?
0:00–14:26
2
How do the parties distinguish between “credible” and “persuasive” testimony under the INA?
14:26–26:51
3
When does the rebuttable presumption of credibility apply and who must articulate it?
26:51–39:25
4
Do implicit credibility findings satisfy the statutory requirement for an adverse finding?
39:25–51:28
5
How does the Ninth Circuit’s approach to credibility differ from the post‑Real ID Act framework?
51:28–1:01:51
6
What specific evidence in the Dai and Alcaraz cases challenges the credibility of the applicants?
1:01:51–1:14:00
7
Should the Board’s decision be remanded for a more explicit credibility analysis?
1:14:00–1:24:29
8
What is the final legal conclusion on whether the Board’s rulings should be affirmed?
1:24:29–1:35:17