Williams v. Washington (23-191)
argument 23-191Williams v. Washington
Supreme Court of the United States
1h 15m
8 speakers
8 chapters
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What is the Supreme Court’s precedent on exhaustion requirements in civil‑rights cases?
We will hear argument first this term in case twenty three one ninety one Williams
versus Fitzgerald. Mr. Yunikowski? Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court. Patsy and Felder controlled this case. In Patsy, this court held that a failure to exhaust was not a defense to liability under Section nineteen eighty three. In this case, however, the Supreme Court of Alabama dismissed petitioners' claims because petitioners failed to exhaust, contradicting Patsy's holding. Felder confirms that Patsy applies in state court. This court reasoned that the dominant characteristic of a civil rights claim is that it's judicially enforceable in the first instance, and that characteristic does not vary depending on whether the suit is filed in federal or state court. The same reasoning applies to this case.
Respondent characterises Alabama statute as a neutral procedural rule, but there's nothing neutral about it. A claimant has to seek relief from the Secretary before suing the Secretary. The Secretary never has to seek relief from the claimant for anything and never has any reason to exhaust any remedy. Respondent also emphasizes that Alabama's law is jurisdictional, but this court has held that a state cannot avoid preemption by defining the jurisdiction of state courts to exclude cases in which the defendant asserts an affirmative defense that this court has held is not available, and that's exactly what happened in this case. Finally, and at a minimum, the Alabama statute is preempted as applied to this case, in which the Alabama Supreme Court reached the Kafka.
I welcome the Court's questions.
Um Mr Yunikowski, um would you have the same objection if Alabama required uh these claims to be made in a lower state court
No, Your Honor, I think the state is allowed to direct these claims to a to a court as long as there is no exhaustion requirement.
Well, what's the difference? And if it's on s if if let's say uh and I'm just speculating that it required that it goes to something the equivalent of uh a a municipal court before it before it goes to its trial court. How is that different from going to an agency? Isn't it a similar exhaustion problem?
I don't think so. When I think of an exhaustion requirement, I think of a requirement to seek relief from the very person you are planning to sue before suing that person. So that's how Alabama's system works. You have to seek relief from the Secretary. You file a claim with an examiner who is reports to the Secretary. You appeal to an appeals tribunal, which also reports to the Secretary. So you are seeking relief from the very entity that you are ultimately going to sue. And that is the defect the court identified in the Felder case. I viewed it as different. as the state setting up its judicial system to direct courts parties to a third party neutral.
What if instead of the ju uh requirement your complaining, the exhaustion requirement, what if the requirement were simply that uh parties had to go through a mediation process? I think several jurisdictions have that. I mean it may it may not last long, but before you can proceed uh with your suit you have to sit down and there's a mediator that sees uh tries to see if you can work it out.
So I think that sounds a little bit like the rule in Felder. So I I probably would say that's preempted, but I think that would boil down to s as to whether it's really an exhaustion requirement. The rule I extract from Patsy is that exhaustion requirements are are preempted. You know, I think there are some borderline cases about whether something really qualifies as an exhaustion requirement. I I think that that question is not presented here because it it pretty clearly is a requirement of that nature.
Well, I I would have thought that your Your complaint is focusing on the sort of delay, which is uh what the exhaustion requirement simply imposes. And if it's simply you've got to me you've got to try mediation for a while, I don't know why you would say that's also objectionable.
Well, I think it would depend on exactly what the nuts and bolts of the requirements are.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the Supreme Court’s precedent on exhaustion requirements in civil‑rights cases?
0:00–8:12
2
How do the parties compare the Alabama exhaustion rule to the Patsy and Felder decisions?
8:12–18:17
3
Why does the respondent argue that Alabama’s statute is a neutral procedural rule, not an exhaustion requirement?
18:17–27:49
4
What would a mediation‑instead‑of‑exhaustion scheme look like, and how might it affect the case?
27:49–36:02
5
How does the Court distinguish jurisdictional rules from claim‑processing rules in this context?
36:02–44:29
6
What is the preemption analysis—does Alabama’s law conflict with the purposes of 42 U.S.C. § 1983?
44:29–54:53
7
What practical scenarios (e.g., COVID‑related delays, federal‑court filing) illustrate the impact of the exhaustion rule?
54:53–1:05:34
8
What final questions does the Court pose to the parties, and what relief are they seeking?
1:05:34–1:15:50