Zivotofsky v. Kerry (13-628)
argument 13-628Zivotofsky v. Kerry
Supreme Court of the United States
58 min
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8 chapters
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What is the constitutional issue surrounding passport place‑of‑birth designations for Jerusalem‑born citizens?
We'll hear argument first in case 13-628, Zivotofsky v. Carey. Ms. Lewin.
Mr. Chief Justice, and may it please the Court, how an American is identified in his or her passport or U.S. consular report of birth abroad, including the place of birth designation, is does not amount to formal recognition by the United States of that designated location's sovereign status. This is the principal reason why Congress's law authorizing Jerusalem-born citizens to carry passports that say they were born in Israel is a legitimate congressional exercise of Congress's power to regulate foreign commerce and
natural resources. President and the Secretary of State put on the passport the place of birth, I've written it out, the place of birth on this Jerusalem-born citizen's passport has been listed as Israel at the holder's request. This designation is neither an acknowledgement nor a declaration by the Department of State or the President of the United States that Jerusalem is within the borders of the State of Israel. Could the President, under existing statute, And the Secretary of State, under existing statute, put that statement on the passport.
Yes, Your Honor. They could put that statement on the passport.
What do you think if Congress then passed a law saying that that statement had to come off every passport, could Congress do that?
Yes, Justice Kagan. There's no restriction on the initial granting of recognition by the President for But by the same token, the Congress has the ability afterwards upon deliberation to decide if they disagree with that recognition. But in the case that Justice Kennedy — Does that
ever happen? Yes. In the history of the United States where Congress, after the President had declared that it was not recognizing someone, has Congress ever recognized?
Yes, Justice, certainly are. In — In 1898, Congress passed a joint resolution for the recognition of the independence of the people of Cuba over the initial opposition of President McKinley, and that ended up recognizing the independence of Cuba.
You were careful to say at the outset that this is not recognition. The Court of Appeals decision, I think it was in the Judge Tatel concurrence, said that both parties urge upon us that the power of recognition is involved here and Congress has done it. And then, of course, the... Attorney General takes the opposite position, that there's A, this is recognition, and B, that's why it's void. Did you change your position here, or am I just misinterpreting the way the Court of Appeals
discussed it? options for resolving this issue. Our primary position, as I said at the outset, is that what is written in this statute does not amount to a formal recognition of sovereignty because the language of the statute itself is very narrow. It begins by saying that for the purposes of, for the narrow purposes of recording a place of birth on a passport or a consular report of birth abroad, that is what this statute provides for. It also It does not state that in all circumstances you have to list Israel as the place of birth. It is merely giving the individual choice. The provision
is part of a section, Section 214. And I think you're trying to read G as though it is disassociated from the purpose that's expressed throughout 214, that is, that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Congress said that. And you are trying to deal with a piece of one section without regard to the thrust of the whole provision that Congress has said, which think Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
Justice Ginsburg, that is correct. This section of the statute should be reviewed and the constitutionality of it be determined on its own, but the Court should look not at what Congress may have intended by the entire section, but rather what this section actually did. And this section, as I said, gives the individuals a choice and does not confer formal recognition. There are benefits that come
with it. May you say that, but you say I've heard exactly what you say, and I think that's certainly a reasonable position.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the constitutional issue surrounding passport place‑of‑birth designations for Jerusalem‑born citizens?
0:00–8:36
2
How does the Court evaluate whether listing “Israel” on a passport constitutes formal foreign‑policy recognition?
8:36–15:47
3
What historical examples (e.g., Cuba, Taiwan) are used to argue Congress’s power over recognition?
15:47–23:53
4
Why do the parties argue that Section 214 D does or does not force the executive to issue diplomatic statements?
23:53–31:08
5
How do the Justices frame the separation‑of‑powers conflict between Congress and the President on recognition?
31:08–38:21
6
What hypothetical scenarios (e.g., passports printed abroad, Crimea) illustrate limits on congressional authority?
38:21–46:04
7
How does the Government argue that the passport provision is merely a matter of individual self‑identification, not a political declaration?
46:04–53:38
8
What is the final holding the Court is asked to make regarding Congress’s ability to compel the President’s diplomatic language?
53:38–58:56