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Aaron Levie

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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

two just quick thoughts. One, Patrick Carlson had a tweet yesterday that basically said this sort of this, this big misinformation kind of created by, by people that want to be slow is that you, you have to sort of choose two of fast, good and cheap.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

two just quick thoughts. One, Patrick Carlson had a tweet yesterday that basically said this sort of this, this big misinformation kind of created by, by people that want to be slow is that you, you have to sort of choose two of fast, good and cheap.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

And, and I think basically, you know, Elon's companies have sort of always effectively kind of proven the opposite, which is, which is actually, if you just like start to ask the question, like, why does that thing have to cost as much? You know, if you're building a rocket or designing a car or developing batteries, like why, you know, if you just do ground up, why does it have to cost as much?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

And, and I think basically, you know, Elon's companies have sort of always effectively kind of proven the opposite, which is, which is actually, if you just like start to ask the question, like, why does that thing have to cost as much? You know, if you're building a rocket or designing a car or developing batteries, like why, you know, if you just do ground up, why does it have to cost as much?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

And so so it's interesting is that that probably if most people looked at what the government was spending on, they wouldn't even feel like like, you know, it's not even helping them in the disaster relief sense of, you know, I think like that. There are probably actually people that actually do experience the benefits of disaster relief.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

And so so it's interesting is that that probably if most people looked at what the government was spending on, they wouldn't even feel like like, you know, it's not even helping them in the disaster relief sense of, you know, I think like that. There are probably actually people that actually do experience the benefits of disaster relief.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

It's actually just all of the overhead that we've created to getting anything done in the government that could actually make the government better serve all of the constituents. I was talking to you know, sort of a nameless individual in the government the other week, where by Congress, they have to hire contractors to do work.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

It's actually just all of the overhead that we've created to getting anything done in the government that could actually make the government better serve all of the constituents. I was talking to you know, sort of a nameless individual in the government the other week, where by Congress, they have to hire contractors to do work.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

And the contractors, the contracting firms charge them two and a half times the sort of cost of an individual employee that they could otherwise hire. And so now they have to outsource the work and they don't have any accountability mechanism for that contractor. And so I think there's not a single American that could look at that and say, this is like actually working well.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

And the contractors, the contracting firms charge them two and a half times the sort of cost of an individual employee that they could otherwise hire. And so now they have to outsource the work and they don't have any accountability mechanism for that contractor. And so I think there's not a single American that could look at that and say, this is like actually working well.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

Yeah, we are spending more money to do less. And the ultimate outcome is actually lower quality. And so so you have to at some point just kind of do a little bit of a reset moment. And that's obviously the upside of Doge is like, it's like, it breaks every rule of us thinking about how, how you would actually go and attack this problem. We thought you'd attack it through meetings.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

Yeah, we are spending more money to do less. And the ultimate outcome is actually lower quality. And so so you have to at some point just kind of do a little bit of a reset moment. And that's obviously the upside of Doge is like, it's like, it breaks every rule of us thinking about how, how you would actually go and attack this problem. We thought you'd attack it through meetings.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

And we would do it through congressional, you know, sort of processes and research. And it's actually just, it is, you know, obviously a much more sort of founder startup oriented way to approach this. There's gonna be lots of things that are broken glass around the edges. There's no question. But I think what's interesting about this week's event is,

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

And we would do it through congressional, you know, sort of processes and research. And it's actually just, it is, you know, obviously a much more sort of founder startup oriented way to approach this. There's gonna be lots of things that are broken glass around the edges. There's no question. But I think what's interesting about this week's event is,

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

I think that there's been this underlying kind of notion of like, you know, Elon and whatnot at all, you know, don't understand the government enough to be able to change it. And it might actually be the case that the government doesn't understand Elon in the sense of like, he will just see this thing through.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

I think that there's been this underlying kind of notion of like, you know, Elon and whatnot at all, you know, don't understand the government enough to be able to change it. And it might actually be the case that the government doesn't understand Elon in the sense of like, he will just see this thing through.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

And the tools at his disposal and Doge's disposal is sort of, you know, completely unprecedented in terms of the ability to put anybody in Congress on notice if you know, if basically they are promoting things that are not making the country better. So the thing that we saw this week was actually that playing out.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

And the tools at his disposal and Doge's disposal is sort of, you know, completely unprecedented in terms of the ability to put anybody in Congress on notice if you know, if basically they are promoting things that are not making the country better. So the thing that we saw this week was actually that playing out.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

Everybody's been wondering, well, what are the actual, you know, what are the formal mechanisms Doge has to accomplish and enact change? And it's like, you just saw it. Like they can just create enough visibility and spotlight on the problem that it causes a level of discomfort in supporting moving forward with whatever that thing is. And so I think it's interesting.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
DOGE kills its first bill, Zuck vs OpenAI, Google's AI comeback with bestie Aaron Levie

Everybody's been wondering, well, what are the actual, you know, what are the formal mechanisms Doge has to accomplish and enact change? And it's like, you just saw it. Like they can just create enough visibility and spotlight on the problem that it causes a level of discomfort in supporting moving forward with whatever that thing is. And so I think it's interesting.