Aaron Retica

who, could he hear all this, would be surprised to find himself as the center of the movement of anything. But what is the fusion between those two things, right? It's domination over the environment, which we haven't talked about, but that's a huge part of what they want to, right? We're going to drill a baby drill. We're going to have gas. We're going to cut all the timber, right?

And that's part of that frontier spirit that you're talking about. We're just going to cut the trees down. You have, in Jackson's case, the... or case of the president defying the Supreme Court. And Jackson, of course, he didn't fully not do what the Supreme Court said, but he basically did ignore them, and hence the Trail of Tears.

And that's part of that frontier spirit that you're talking about. We're just going to cut the trees down. You have, in Jackson's case, the... or case of the president defying the Supreme Court. And Jackson, of course, he didn't fully not do what the Supreme Court said, but he basically did ignore them, and hence the Trail of Tears.

So I think it's some kind of mixture of the Jacksonian democracy, right? And he always makes his little gestures toward that. And this McKinley idea that you protect America with tariffs, which then allows you to build up your dominance. There was a lot of chatter about the return of manufacturing to the United States. And those two things, I do think it's a 19th century model for sure.

So I think it's some kind of mixture of the Jacksonian democracy, right? And he always makes his little gestures toward that. And this McKinley idea that you protect America with tariffs, which then allows you to build up your dominance. There was a lot of chatter about the return of manufacturing to the United States. And those two things, I do think it's a 19th century model for sure.

Speaking of reality not having the structure that you want it to have, I do want to talk for a minute about the one Democrat he apparently likes. And that's Robert Kennedy Jr., Robert F. Kennedy Jr., It's all connected to this like pro-system, anti-system idea, right? I mean, you, in defending semiconductors, right? Again, you have to explain.

Speaking of reality not having the structure that you want it to have, I do want to talk for a minute about the one Democrat he apparently likes. And that's Robert Kennedy Jr., Robert F. Kennedy Jr., It's all connected to this like pro-system, anti-system idea, right? I mean, you, in defending semiconductors, right? Again, you have to explain.

There's a long chain of explanation to show what supply chains are. And in Kennedy, he is in some ways the perfect embodiment of this whole thing because it's the rejection of expertise on the one hand and the rejection of government and destruction and all this. So do you... Think he can bring in like everyone who's against the system?

There's a long chain of explanation to show what supply chains are. And in Kennedy, he is in some ways the perfect embodiment of this whole thing because it's the rejection of expertise on the one hand and the rejection of government and destruction and all this. So do you... Think he can bring in like everyone who's against the system?

So even these moms who are against vaccines and is there a way for him to make that a coherent way of dominating America and dominating the world?

So even these moms who are against vaccines and is there a way for him to make that a coherent way of dominating America and dominating the world?

We could have a whole show about this, but falling outs among elites and the manipulation of populist sentiment, that is in some ways the whole story, right? Always. Whether it's any aspect of American history, like that's a big one, right? But we're going to have a gigantic experiment, which, you know, huge swaths of the government are

We could have a whole show about this, but falling outs among elites and the manipulation of populist sentiment, that is in some ways the whole story, right? Always. Whether it's any aspect of American history, like that's a big one, right? But we're going to have a gigantic experiment, which, you know, huge swaths of the government are

And we're going to slowly find out which of those things mattered the most, right? Or maybe not slowly, maybe quickly. But it isn't just that people will be like, okay, that system was actually better than I thought it was. It's also got to be some sort of democratic renewal. And I do not mean the Democratic Party here. Whatever one says about how they're pushing back, it's not doing enough.

And we're going to slowly find out which of those things mattered the most, right? Or maybe not slowly, maybe quickly. But it isn't just that people will be like, okay, that system was actually better than I thought it was. It's also got to be some sort of democratic renewal. And I do not mean the Democratic Party here. Whatever one says about how they're pushing back, it's not doing enough.

The people who have to push back, they have to come from civil society. They're going to have to come from, if I can use this word, newspapers. They're going to have to come from churches, unions, all that kind of stuff. Even if you don't want to be part of the resistance in some sense, the Trump administration is making it so that you don't really have a choice.

The people who have to push back, they have to come from civil society. They're going to have to come from, if I can use this word, newspapers. They're going to have to come from churches, unions, all that kind of stuff. Even if you don't want to be part of the resistance in some sense, the Trump administration is making it so that you don't really have a choice.

You may not be interested in politics, but politics, unfortunately, is going to be interested in you. Exactly.

You may not be interested in politics, but politics, unfortunately, is going to be interested in you. Exactly.

Okay, well, that seems like a good place for us to wrap it up. Ezra, thanks a lot for coming out.