Aaron Smith-Levin

It's very, very difficult.

I mean, most people who leave Scientology leave because they have had some personal experience that was just such a grave injustice that it just pushed them beyond the point of what they're willing to experience.

Very rare.

I'm not sure I've really ever heard a story of someone going, yeah, I just woke up, you know, I just gradually realized it was all BS and drifted away.

You know, it's usually like, no, I really believed and they treated me so horribly.

I almost had no choice but to leave.

And then the stories get pretty crazy.

Yeah.

And this sort of goes back to the conversation we're having about like, well, does Miscavige really believe?

And I said, I could make an argument for the fact that he doesn't, right?

Because I go...

it wouldn't be that hard to change the way Scientology treats people just a little bit.

And you'd probably stop losing anyone because Scientologists already believe to such a strong degree, you have to be pretty fricking horrible to people to make them leave.

And that's where you go,

well, does Miscavige even want Scientology to expand?

Because if he was really being clever about it, it seems like he could at least stop the bleeding, and yet he doesn't.

So that's where you make the argument, well, if he doesn't, then he must not want to.

The numbers of Scientologists have been going down and down and down since the early 90s.

Oh, yeah.

I did a video about this.