Abbie Chatfield

Right, which we thought would be a good one.

So I haven't heard it.

You haven't heard it, Emma.

So we will see what this chook has to say.

All right.

Yes, the Bella Johnson episode is so good.

You actually like it, Emma.

It's Bella's journey in essentially medical misogyny leading her to not get a diagnosis of something.

I'm not going to...

spoiler or anything but something quite severe for years and years and years there was an assumption that she had you know a mental health condition but actually it was a real life thing i don't want to i don't know is that is it is it weird to say a spoiler on someone's real life i guess not i don't know but i love what i'm dealing with with the memoir it's like i can't tell you that it's a spoiler yeah it's like i know you personally yeah

But yeah, that episode is fucking crazy.

So let's see what it's inspired from this listener.

Yes.

And they go, no, it's just normal to be in pain.

It's normal.

Yeah, just suffer.

You'll be also at 12 and 13.

A child.

It's awful.

That's crazy.