Abby Ellin
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100 appearances
1 recordings
1 series
first heard Feb 2025
last heard Feb 2025
Abby Ellin’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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And he said, when I was at Guantanamo, all these guys are after me. They hate me. And they threaten me and my family. So my loved ones are being followed by the Secret Service.
And I remember I said to him, well, you know... Next time, why don't you ask them if they can give me a ride so I don't have to call taxis?
And there was a car outside and said, Dad, is that your guys? Why are they outside the house? So I remember I thought something really must have happened.
I need to know everything.
And he said that one of his patients was a very high-level terrorist. And I said, who? And he said, Osama bin Laden. And I said, that's insane. And he said, no, it's not. And he began to list all the physical problems that bin Laden had.
And I said to him, that is a stupid thing to tell a person. And I said, that's also not possible because the president, it was Bush at the time, he would never let this happen without getting it out because it was a big deal and it would have helped Republicans. So he would never have been quiet about that if he knew where bin Laden was. And he said, no, the president doesn't know.
And I said, that's impossible. He said, there's a lot of things that they don't know. And I remember thinking, okay, this is insane. But maybe there's a story here.
I was trying to do my own checkups because I was feeling crazy. And I couldn't call up the CIA and say, hey, do you have this guy on your payroll? I mean, you can't do that.
My brother-in-law said that doesn't make sense because he was in the Navy and he said he wouldn't tell you about that. I had another friend who said the same thing. They're not supposed to tell you.
that he had a vault full of metals for operations that didn't really exist. They were unofficial, you know, like homeland-y kind of things that you're not supposed to know about. Abby asked her new professors if this could be true. I would ask my teachers, you know, is that possible? They said, yeah, absolutely it is.
I met his family. I met his son. I met his brother. I met his aunt. I met some friends. I met everybody, you know.
And I had said to him at some point, listen, I'm going to want a kid. When she told Richard this? Basically, he was willing to do it. He said, I love you. I'm in love with you. I'll do anything you want. I'm going to ask you to marry me. So whatever makes you happy makes me happy.
I'm 42. He's 58. We're not kids anymore. And we would discuss that. He said, you know, his father always said, when you know, you know. And I've heard that before. So then he began, he would visit me in New York and he would come and he would say, oh, I just went to De Beers and I was looking, I was looking at rings there. And I thought, OK, great, that's cool.
But one day he says to me, you know, Abby, I'm really upset. I can't afford a $30,000 ring, $40,000 ring. You know, I said, I don't need a $40,000 ring, which is true. I didn't.
I had never really expected to get married. That wasn't my goal. So it was very odd buying a dress. I decided I would just do something very small, like a dinner or something, just something chill.
Eventually, we found a place at the Watergate, which, you know, was obviously very famous.
It was just sort of bleak and the Watergate was empty and I didn't find Washington to be an especially hospitable town.
Sometimes going to Afghanistan, sometimes going to Iraq, sometimes he's doing all these things that I can't even know about. I'll tell you when there's a secure line is what he would say.
Like falling asleep early. He'll fall asleep at dinner. We're at dinner at like six o'clock and he's at the table like falling asleep.
Well, I had put down money to adopt by myself. So I was all going to do that.
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