Adam Galinsky
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285 appearances
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3 series
first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jan 2025
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's something that he instinctively knew and understood that we all need structure for our days. This is something that NASA astronauts have known for a long time that when you're in space, they have them on a incredibly strict schedule. And so he understood, like, we're going to have a structure to the day. We're going to get up at six every day.
We're going to dig, you know, until we're, you know, exhausted. And then we're going to sleep and then we're going to get up and we're going to dig again. Now, there's something really important to remember is they went into this cave with no food. They didn't have a single morsel of food on them when they went in. They went in this cave with no water. They didn't have any water.
Now, they did actually end up having some water. And that's also something really remarkable about Coach Eck is that he understood they couldn't drink the muddy water that was surging around them. But there was water dripping through the roof. And he understood that because it was going through the mountain stones, it was essentially being cleaned.
And so they were able to get water and give them that little bit of at least that type of nourishment that they needed.
Absolutely. He was, in some ways, an incredible mentor, understanding the individual needs. The smallest member of the group, he constantly encouraged him, saying, I know you can do it. You're strong. I believe in you. He would sing with them, right, to help lift their mood. But he would also meditate with them to help keep them calm.
And I think the meditation is a particularly interesting one for two reasons. First, at some point in this time— the oxygen levels in the cave were getting dangerously low. In fact, they fell probably below life-affirming levels at certain points, and they still survived. And part of it was by doing this meditation, he was helping them conserve energy, but also use the oxygen more efficiently.
They weren't sure, but they thought they heard almost like a bubble come out of the water and the word, hello. And they were up on this ledge. The water had receded a little bit. And so they immediately kind of went down off the ledge towards where the water was. And they turned on their flashlights. And there, miraculously, were two British divers who had spent 10 days trying to get in there.
They had been there alone, without food, without water, without a way to call for help, without warmth. for 10 days, and they had been miraculously found.
Well, the divers say they were horrified at how they looked, right? They looked so emaciated, right? You could see the effect of 10 days of no food combined with all the effort they'd put into digging. they were even more amazed by the demeanor of the soccer players. There wasn't a single trembling lip, right?
They smiled, they seemed happy to see them, and they just were shocked that here was a group of people who'd suffered, in some ways, the most horrific deprivation possible, but that deprivation did not show on their facial expressions.
He reassured them that the boys were going to be okay, that they were okay, that he was looking out for them. He also apologized for what happened. But he basically said, I'm with the boys. I'm taking care of them. They're going to be okay. You're going to see them soon. I'm very sorry for what you've gone through.
Yeah, I mean, I think he understood that everything that he said was going to have a huge impact on the boys. And so he was very, very careful in a number of different ways. First, he never used words like trapped, right? He never used words like stuck, right? He never emphasized that they were in a perilous state.
Um, he always, um, another thing that he did is that he understood that his strength was their strength. And sometimes he got overwhelmed and he, he needed to cry. He needed to let us motions, but he, he understood that it was really critical for him to do that privately where they couldn't see it when they were sleeping, for example, because they knew if they saw him cry.
it would break them and they would sort of lose sort of essentially all hope. So he understood that he had to focus. He, you know, understood that they needed a shared goal and that they really truly believed that they were working towards a real possibility. So he said, we're going to dig our way out and we're going to work towards that. And when they would say, you know, how much longer?
He would say just a little longer, right? It was always we're making progress. We're getting there. Another thing he did was that he helped them craft a whole story about what was on the other side of their digging. So he created a story about an orange field that they would come out and there would be oranges right there that they could eat.
And they had that at the end of the orange field, there was a little store and they would go in and they would get as much food and drink as they could possibly do. And then they would go back and they would get their bikes and they would ride home as if no one was looking at them for the last 10 days. And so these three things, like very careful with his language, right?
Never talking about being trapped or stuck. Very careful about what he expressed emotionally so that he portrayed calmness and strength and optimism and hope. And then even not only giving them shared goal of digging their way out, but giving them what that shared goal was going to lead to. The Elysian Fields on the other side of the cave that they were working towards.
Yeah, we've found, for example, that in negotiations, we can think about what we're trying to avoid or prevent in the negotiation, or we could think about what is their hope, their ideal outcome is in the negotiation. If you get them really focused on that, it has this transformative effect on how they approach the negotiation. They become more optimistic.
They become more assertive, but in a positive way, not in a sort of aggressive way. and they become more persistent. And because of that, they end up getting better outcomes.
Absolutely. And I will say one thing, it actually would have been impossible for them to dig because once they were discovered and we knew their exact location, one of the original ideas for getting them out was to drill a hole into the cave. But the rock was too thick and it was impossible to get to them. So their digging would eventually come up against shore rock.
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