Adam Grant

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I think paradoxical leadership, I do think the farmer's carry is a really good metaphor for the fact, to be honest with you, Adam, I don't think people have built the strength.

I don't think they've gotten their reps in to hold the tension.

And I think the more emotional dysregulation, the lack of self, I mean, I think self-awareness, emotional regulation, mindfulness, I think these are things that allow us to hold tension.

you know, allow us to hold paradox.

Would you agree?

Say that again.

That feels like really important.

No, it does.

I mean, I just couldn't agree with you more.

Maybe we can, if you'll indulge me, I wrote this about paradox.

And I think just to end on a more personal note, something that I've been working on for me

And this is kind of how Richard Rohr, how his work has helped me hold paradox within myself.

And for me personally, it's loving and accepting the weird contradictions that live in me.

I think you and I talk a lot about the contradictions we see between us, but we also talk to each other a lot about the contradictions we see within each other, like the contradictions I see in you.

And you'll often say the contradictions that you see in me.

But one of the things I wrote in Strong Ground is, I am sensitive, but I dislike sentimentality.

I'm comfortable talking to 10,000 people, but put me in a cocktail party situation where I have to engage with small talk with two people, I can get anxious and overwhelmed.

I love to laugh, but I am actually a pretty serious person most of the time.