Adam Grant

I can be really scary when I'm scared.

And while I've spent my career studying the power of vulnerability, I often dread putting myself out there.

And so I think that the grace paradox, Richard Rohr's grace paradox of

We become much more spiritually stronger, not from the things we do perfectly and right, but from the mistakes we made and the hard lessons we learn.

That's helpful for me.

I love this conversation.

I appreciate you.

Okay.

We will be, and I just have to say, Adam and I are, inside of both of us, I think a ton of paradoxes are alive and well.

And between us, there's a lot of paradox that is hard, but I appreciate navigating it with you.

Same.

Me too.

And let's keep being okay when it feels so wrong.

Because I get, I mean, my trainer says all the time, I don't care if that feels wrong.

Because the way you're doing it right now is super comfortable and you're not going to be able to get it, you know, stand up off the floor when you're 70.

So it's got to feel wrong right now because, yeah.

So I love that.

All right.

I'll see you next time.

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