Adam Gurri

But even so, a lot of, you know, when you hear about the post liberals or whatever they want to call themselves now, a lot of those are going back to better, more academic arguments from the 80s of the communitarians.

And those guys were leftists.

They were not right wingers.

But they were very critical of especially the individualist aspect of liberalism.

And there was a very fruitful conversation there between the communitarian critics and liberal theorists in the 80s and 90s around this.

But that's like obscure academic stuff that didn't really reach the mainstream.

The post-liberals are people who are mostly taking the critical side, the communitarian side, and putting a right-wing bent on it, which frankly is not that hard, and taking it mainstream, taking it to bigger audiences.

Which is why I think you need places like liberal currents to take, because like I said, liberal theorists did respond to these arguments before fairly decisively in my point of view.

But again, the only people reading them were philosophers, not the general public.

Oh, you know, Deneen is the obvious one.

Sorry, Patrick Deneen.

He wrote Why Liberalism Failed in the first Trump administration, I think is when that book came out.

There's Yoram Hazony, who is an Israeli, who is big in what he calls

religious nationalism specifically.

Of course, in America that always means Christian nationalism, which is kind of a funny thing because his is obviously not Christian nationalism.

He actually, he's been around, both of these guys were big in the first Trump administration culturally.

And we wrote about him specifically in like 2018 or 2019 or something.

And he's only gotten bigger since, unfortunately.

Yeah.

So there's a few guys like this who want to say, well, we've proven that liberalism failed and it's time to move on to the next thing.