Adam Gurri

Right.

Yeah, no, absolutely.

Yeah, right.

Yeah, no, there's the integralists, as they're called, who just more or less believe that the church should run a country, which is a very funny thing to say in America specifically, frankly.

Like, in as much as we're a Christian country, we are... We would not be Catholic.

Right.

We're not Protestant historically, and nowadays we're barely Protestant, right?

Right.

Like, we're evangelical, we're Pentecostal.

Oh, gosh.

So what do you mean?

What is the motivation behind like a Patrick Deneen or like an Adrian Vermeule would be the integralist side?

I mean, it varies because there is differences among this group, right?

So...

If I were to point to one thing, and it is the thing where liberalism is the strongest, it's difference.

Difference is difficult, right?

Social difference.

And of course, the communitarians claim that liberalism was not good at it, right?

But the communitarian solution is often kind of like the reactionary solution, which is, all right, just give each group their own little space.

But the liberal response to that is, that's not possible.