Adam Leventhal

That's not you. No, 100%.

Yes.

Yes.

And so Matt, what's the reaction been as this becomes more enforced? Like are, I mean, like are there some folks who are receptive to it and think it would be a positive change or are most folks, especially from the VMware culture, is it bugging them?

And so Matt, what's the reaction been as this becomes more enforced? Like are, I mean, like are there some folks who are receptive to it and think it would be a positive change or are most folks, especially from the VMware culture, is it bugging them?

Yeah, this is an intervention. Right. Oh, thank God there's a dress code. God, they did keep that.

Yeah, this is an intervention. Right. Oh, thank God there's a dress code. God, they did keep that.

There's a real clarity, right? Like he's not talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's not a 18 paragraph email. It's like my way or the highway. Let's go.

There's a real clarity, right? Like he's not talking out of both sides of his mouth. It's not a 18 paragraph email. It's like my way or the highway. Let's go.

Actually, you know what? We weren't that remote. We were pretty in-person. And we got an expensive office space in downtown San Francisco, and people went to it. We had some remote time. People would work remotely on Wednesdays or whatever. But by and large, it was in-person. I think I said at the time...

Actually, you know what? We weren't that remote. We were pretty in-person. And we got an expensive office space in downtown San Francisco, and people went to it. We had some remote time. People would work remotely on Wednesdays or whatever. But by and large, it was in-person. I think I said at the time...

I was looking at what you had done at Joyent, and I thought you had done a great job of having some folks in person and some folks remote. And I don't know. I wasn't sure how to operate in a team like that, especially very early on. Now, I think that's changed for me. That's changed, I think, for the industry broadly. But even in that 2016, eight years ago when I was starting the company...

I was looking at what you had done at Joyent, and I thought you had done a great job of having some folks in person and some folks remote. And I don't know. I wasn't sure how to operate in a team like that, especially very early on. Now, I think that's changed for me. That's changed, I think, for the industry broadly. But even in that 2016, eight years ago when I was starting the company...

I felt like that was a choice you could make between whether you were mostly in person or mostly remote and you'd hire different folks or whatever, but it was kind of a viable choice. I'm not so sure how viable this is a choice these days. To be remote or to be in person? Oh, pardon me, to be like, to say we're in person.

I felt like that was a choice you could make between whether you were mostly in person or mostly remote and you'd hire different folks or whatever, but it was kind of a viable choice. I'm not so sure how viable this is a choice these days. To be remote or to be in person? Oh, pardon me, to be like, to say we're in person.

Obviously, I think being remote is like, I mean, it feels to me, I'm like very much biased on this one, but it feels like,

Obviously, I think being remote is like, I mean, it feels to me, I'm like very much biased on this one, but it feels like,

Chris, I think you're really onto something. Yeah, I think it is. I think it's both a generational thing and kind of one's own experience. But I think it's also the tools that have become commonplace in the way that we work. And yet people sort of having this nostalgia for a time and forgetting the absence of these tools. Brian, you were talking about how...

Chris, I think you're really onto something. Yeah, I think it is. I think it's both a generational thing and kind of one's own experience. But I think it's also the tools that have become commonplace in the way that we work. And yet people sort of having this nostalgia for a time and forgetting the absence of these tools. Brian, you were talking about how...

you know uh talking in chat or on a google meet or uh in lots of these different kind of remote collaboration tools recall like we didn't really have that like when we would when we would work remotely at sun in the like early 2000s or whatever like you would get on a conference call but like there was no uh there was no like video chat or anything i think we did a little bit of like