Adam Schafer

100% agree.

There's something I always say.

I say that because in our space, motivation and hype is like a real popular thing.

I say motivation is bullshit.

Self-belief is everything.

I believe that.

I just, I, if you have the confidence, you believe in yourself, like everything else, everything else falls into place from there.

You just kind of believe that you, and you don't have to believe that you're good.

You don't have to have like a delusion.

You don't have to be delusional about it.

Like I didn't have, none of us that started the podcast had any like delusion that we were good or we knew what we were doing or we're the best.

Like, but we all had this self-belief that we're going to figure this out.

Totally.

And we will, and we'll keep trying until we do.

And so, yeah, no, I'm, I'm a firm believer in, in self-belief and confidence.

I think that leads to everything else.

And I found that in a partner and taking it full circle from how you started this conversation, like Katrina is every bit just like me in that.

Like she is the same way.

Like she just has that.

She has so much confidence in herself that if I were to go out on her and do that, her attitude is just like, you're lost buddy.