Adam Stachowiak

And so now you have production-level software that's good for them because they're production of one.

They're the user of one.

They're not only the builder, but they're also the user of it.

So it's good for me.

It works.

That's all that matters.

I think that's super cool.

I want that world to exist because the more people who can build software for themselves is going to be – there's a long-term upside for that.

Yeah.

Whether or not and the reason why I teeter on that they're a developer or not is for the reasons you said before, which was they have they may miss this deep knowledge of, say, the Unix socket with Go, for example, or ETLs for me or software development lifecycle.

They don't understand this larger, truly developer world kind of thing.

And maybe that will erode over time.

And I'm fine with that too.

I'm mostly fine with that.

I think there's going to be more software and more people building software.

And if we want to call them software developers, I'm cool with that.

I'm zero about gatekeeping.

In fact, I invite them all.

It's like saying it's no different than being anti-newbie into our world.

We've been so pro-newbie for years and years and decades basically, or at least this last decade been pro-newbie and kind of anti-calling people juniors even.