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The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

Opus 4.5 changed everything (Interview)

27 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

4.148 - 26.645 Adam Stachowiak

Well, friends, the end is here. Not the end of the show, but the end of a fantastic partnership. I started The Change Law back in 2009 with Win Netherland, and the show has been a beloved breakout ever since. In 2012, Win stepped away to lead GitHub's API, So I had to reinvent what the change all was. That same year, Jared joined as a contributor and guest on the podcast.

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27.066 - 48.556 Adam Stachowiak

Eventually, it made sense for him to join as a full-time host with me. I grew into a business partnership where Jared joined as a partner in the business and managing editor, and the rest is kind of history. Without going into too much detail, late last year, it made the most sense to part ways. No drama, no issues. We remain friends. Just time for change.

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49.197 - 73.291 Adam Stachowiak

And this week is the week of that change. Today I am solo once again on this podcast. And of course, I'm reinventing what it is we do here. For now, it'll be more of the same. But in the near future, expect change. Good change. In the meantime, you can join the community at changelog.com slash community. It is free to join. Hang with us in Zoom chat. It's a ton of fun.

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73.732 - 109.145 Adam Stachowiak

And to my dear friend, Jared, you will be missed. Thank you so much for the many laughs and all the good times and just everything. Friends forever. All right, let's do the show. Welcome back. This is the changelog. I'm Adam Stachowiak, editor in chief here at changelog.com. And today I'm joined by Burke Holland from the GitHub Copilot team.

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109.465 - 135.381 Adam Stachowiak

And we're talking about how Opus 4.5 changed everything. This is coming straight from a post Burke shared in January, just after the AI holiday high we were all on. from the generous 2x usage bump with Claude and the major step function Opus 4.5 offered. Burke and I get into all the details. Opus 4.5 may have started the fire, but GPT 5.3 Codex is certainly living up to the hype.

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A massive thank you to our friends and our partners over at fly.io. That is the home of changelog.com. Learn more at fly.io. All right, let's do this.

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Bye.

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Well friends, I'm here with my good friend, Chris Kelly, over at Augment Code. Chris, I'm a fan. I use Augie on the daily. It's one of my daily drivers. Now I use Cloud Code, I use Augment, Augie, and I also use AMP Code and others, but Augie, I keep going back to it, and here's where I'm at. I feel like not enough of our audience knows about Augment Code, not enough about Augie, the CLI.

186.363 - 188.747 Adam Stachowiak

It's amazing, I love it. What can you share?

Chapter 2: What significant changes did Opus 4.5 bring to AI development?

432.754 - 447.228 Burke Holland

And then it, well, I mean, yeah, that's what happened. I saw that it went to, it was on the front of Hacker News. I was like, that's, whenever you blog, this happened to me maybe two or three times in my career and something like that happens, it's not the post you think, right? You just sort of throw something up.

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447.608 - 450.231 Adam Stachowiak

Would you have written it differently given the attention it got?

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450.251 - 472.772 Burke Holland

Of course. Yeah, of course. Like if you go in, there's this big disclaimer at the top that was added after the fact. It just like is essentially everything I wish I had said. coming out of the gate. But yeah, let's talk about that. So there's this inflection point right around December, and everybody knows that this is true. Intrinsically, people can just, they just feel it.

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472.792 - 484.202 Adam Stachowiak

I'm not sure everybody knows, Burke, honestly. I think a lot of people who are the inner circles know this, but I'm having conversations. They're like, you used AI to do that? Why? No one wants to use AI. AI is this or that.

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Chapter 3: How does Burke Holland utilize GitHub Copilot in his daily work?

484.762 - 496.018 Adam Stachowiak

And you and I and a lot of people in this audience are in the know, and some of them are actually like, I don't know. So maybe not everybody knows. Not everybody knows, I don't think.

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496.038 - 512.224 Burke Holland

Yeah, so let's add some context there. So I've been working on GitHub Copilot for literally for years. So I've been with it since GPT-4.1, which is kind of like the first model we got. And I actually created a custom chat mode called Beast Mode, which would just get 4.1 to like...

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Chapter 4: What are the differences between Opus 4.5 and GPT-5.3 Codex?

512.204 - 528.475 Burke Holland

do things like just to get the model to do something instead of telling you it was going to do something and then not doing anything at all. And, and, and then we, the model started to get better. And then we got Sonnet three, five and Sonnet three, five was like, I mean, it was crazy, right? People were building all kinds of stuff with it.

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528.792 - 551.442 Burke Holland

Yeah, it would actually do the thing and it would build you a nice purple gradient website every single time. But the point is that like it could do a lot, but it was a really sloppy model. Like it just would generate a lot of spaghetti code. Sonnet models are super eager. So they want to please you. And so they end up just doing whatever.

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551.422 - 564.586 Burke Holland

just running kind of willy-nilly through your code base, but they will build things agentically. When we say agentically, we mean like the agent is like calling tools. It's running terminal commands. It's looking stuff up on the internet. It's acting like a developer.

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565.548 - 587.428 Burke Holland

But the problem was, you know, even for us from where I was sitting, I could see that like, it would get you to like a demo or a prototype, but then it's like, Then it would get stuck on an error, and then you had a problem because it doesn't understand the error, and neither do you because you didn't write that code. And that's a problem. You can't really sit in both spaces.

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587.468 - 617.752 Burke Holland

You can't have an agent... That is half right half the time. You need it to be like all right all the time, ideally. And so in December, it was November, December, I forget, Anthropic releases this model called Opus, which they've had Opus for a while, but they release Opus 4.5. And it's because my job is to like test these things out and like, what does this tool do? How does this model work?

618.393 - 644.954 Burke Holland

I'm testing out Opus 4.5 over the Christmas break. And the first thing that I did was I tried to, I was building like native windows tools. I tried to build a tool that would allow me to resize windows on windows to a specific width and height. I'm just testing models inside of Visual Studio Code with Copilot. And it just one-shots it. Just one-shots it. And I was like, what the heck?

645.034 - 665.893 Burke Holland

And not only did it one-shot it, but it used native WinUI libraries and it just did it right. And then I'm going through and I'm looking at the code and I'm like, this is really well-structured. It's not perfect, but it looks really good. And the model's thinking is clear. And I was like, that's nuts.

666.674 - 688.315 Burke Holland

And so then I built another tool that it was like, let's capture a part of the screen and then turn it into a GIF for sharing on Twitter and things like that. So I did that, and it one-shotted that. And I was like, well, shoot, I wonder if I could just turn this into a complete screen video editing tool, like Snagit or something like that. And I did in the course of, I don't know,

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a couple hours, right? I was able to build something that functioned approximately, approximately. Not product level, but it worked. It worked, exactly. And it's like... That's just nuts. When you think about – and all I'm doing is prompting the model. There's no special workflows happening here.

Chapter 5: What challenges do developers face with AI integration?

1832.148 - 1855.208 Burke Holland

And then how do I further get myself out of the loop? So if I'm sitting here babysitting the thing constantly, how can I automate what I'm doing right now? Is it possible? Could Adam, for instance. Is it possible for me to give Copilot CLI a large job and then walk away and have it message me on Telegram and say, hey, listen, like I did this much. I think this is what we should do next.

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1855.689 - 1874.745 Burke Holland

Let me know what you think. And then I can respond and say, yes, do or don't do this. And then it goes off and continues to do it. Can it operate more as like a team lead? and less as? And I think the answer is yes, but you have to have the workflows and the checks and balances set up to actually make that happen.

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Chapter 6: How has AI impacted the productivity of software developers?

2426.912 - 2444.146 Burke Holland

That's amazing. But to actually ship that browser, that is a whole other story. To ship that compiler, that is a whole other story. I don't have answers here other than to acknowledge that these are the gaps that we're currently trying to think through. I have some verse of an answer.

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2444.947 - 2467.885 Adam Stachowiak

And I think this is the lens we need to take because this is the lens I'm taking. And it's helpful to me is that not all software is created equal. Just like your game is not the same kind of production-level, shippable, sellable, SLA-able software. Those are not – they're still software, but they're not the same software. The benchmarks, the requirements, the desires are totally different.

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2468.59 - 2485.351 Adam Stachowiak

And so I think the lens we have to take is that there's a lot of naysayers like, oh, but it can't do this or, oh, it can't do that. Well, let me just tell you, like, you even called it out in your post, Sam Altman and, you know, others talking about where we're going and engineers being replaced, where we're like, nah, that ain't going to happen.

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2485.852 - 2504.622 Adam Stachowiak

And this year we're like, oh, my gosh, it's going to happen soon. It might happen like three months from now, you know. And so I think not all software is created equal. I think versions of software will change in terms of like your toy game. And it's probably that for you versus somebody else's browser. They want to like figure out if they can actually ship.

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2505.063 - 2514.878 Adam Stachowiak

Getting that to production, getting it to ship is way different, but it's a different kind of beast. Even the most recent example. with Cloudflare and OpenNext.

2515.619 - 2522.315 Burke Holland

I saw that. Did you see this? Yeah, shout out to Steve. I used to work with Steve here at Microsoft, the guy that wrote that blog post. That was a great post.

2522.716 - 2547.845 Adam Stachowiak

Yeah. I mean, even just the way they wrote it out was just phenomenal. I'm excited about that because... The uptick of software getting created, the uptick of repos being created on GitHub, the uptick of all the things essentially, apps on the App Store, there's a lot. And I think what's happening is – is people are learning how to build more software.

2547.885 - 2566.047 Adam Stachowiak

They're learning like you are about Go and WebSockets or Go and how you can use Unix socket, for example, and what that does for the way you can connect and stuff like that. I mean, RPC versus a REST API, you got, gRPC I mean, you've got all sorts of things that are happening where you're now learning different things.

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And that's the explosion happening is that your world, your world and my world as well, and hopefully our audience's world, is now flattened in terms of, well, I can touch pretty much any piece of language or protocol or software as I'd like to because the AI is getting better enough to take me there, and I'm learning with it.

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4440.921 - 4441.482 Burke Holland

Oh, man.

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4441.602 - 4443.204 Adam Stachowiak

That's a classic. Right?

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4443.945 - 4444.266 Burke Holland

Yeah.

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Do you know the story well?

4448.872 - 4453.398 Burke Holland

It's been a while since I've read it. Yeah, but I essentially know the fundamentals.

4454.099 - 4474.65 Adam Stachowiak

But go ahead. Well, I don't know it by heart. I just know you have Scurry, and you have him, and you have Hawg. And essentially the story is there's cheese. There's mice, right? They're in this maze and there's cheese. And there's been abundance of cheese in this area for a while and they're all going back there. And one day they go back there and the cheese is gone.

4474.851 - 4495.348 Adam Stachowiak

This represents change, right? Okay. Used to come here every day, get our daily cheese, enjoy, enjoy, come back, whatever. And then him and Hawk kind of keep coming back, keep coming back, and the cheese is just never there again. Meanwhile, Scurry is gone, looking for the cheese. And I think...

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