Adam Stanaland

Right.

So I think what you presented there is a great example of boys and girls just need a diversity of role models.

We describe kids as like little researchers or little experimenters that are, as they're going through the world, they're collecting a bunch of data in their heads of like, okay, I'm a boy.

What does a typical man or boy look like?

And that's how I want to act.

I see other people.

doing that they're fitting in they're not fitting in and so if we want to kind of level the playing field in terms of what they see in the statistics that they're doing in their head we need to present them with a more diverse variety of role models

Right.

And we think that's one of the big issues, right?

So with the feminist movement, we saw women moving into men's spaces, which was great.

And we see a lot of pushes now for things like girls in STEM.

We don't see as much

pushing for boys to take up what are called heed careers and i forget what heed stands for it's like health care education something ed um but yeah there's not that kind of equivalent pushing in both directions and that's probably because the historically male dominated spaces are just higher status so we want to get girls to that high status but at the same time we're not sending the message to boys that it's okay to take on a diversity of these kinds of careers and aspirations

Or is the best place to intervene with young kids?

I think so.

And that's why I'm a social psychologist by training, but also do a lot of developmental psychology work, because I believe that a lot of the answers to these things have to be when kids are young enough to intervene, right?

By adolescence, by late adolescence or young adulthood, those things are pretty crystallized.

And so it's hard to make as much intervention, although people change a lot in college and stuff.

So that could be another point, an inflection point.

So