Aggie Di Mauro

But if we plead it down to maybe use carriage service, you know, they'll consider pleading guilty.

Because they plead charges down, what that means is regardless of what their sentence will be, whether it's community corrections, whether it's whatever it is, the courts don't impose a men's behavioural program.

So, again, you're not addressing...

In your term of sentence that you're going to hand out, because it wasn't stalking because it was pled down, the men's behavioural program is not one of those things that the courts will impose.

Therefore, you're not going to address the problem with the offender.

It's like a domino effect.

Gary, just so we're clear, by the way, in Celeste's case, in the end, he was never charged with stalking.

Yep.

He was only charged with used carriage service.

150 or so messages later, it still didn't constitute stalking.

Not only has it not been implemented, we still have to date victims of stalking turning up at a police station, reporting the stalking, being told to just ignore it.

There's nothing they can do about it, right?

I've had a couple of victims contact me, direct message me on our Facebook group,

To let me know, do you know if anything has changed since Celeste?

Because when they've walked into the police station, they've actually asked the question.

They've asked two questions.

Do you know Celeste Mano's case?

Yes.

And so what happened with Sash?

And the reply from police officers has been, what's Sash?