Ahmed Mour

You're going to have to care.

And you do.

And we're seeing this very much with the mobilization of the American Association of University Professors.

That is not a Middle East specific organization whatsoever, but they are they they recognize the linkages between these issues.

So in the ways that Palestine is interwoven with, but also has impacted so many of our current realities and the policies that we're facing by the Trump administration and the Biden administration before them.

Yeah, I think it's very clear to a lot of people.

So that actually brings me to one of the main questions that I wanted to ask you is, aside from kind of this increased awareness and the taboos that have been broken around the discussion of Palestine and its integration in American foreign policy and American domestic policy, what are some other ways that you think since the genocide began that pro-Palestine organizing has changed?

Yeah, I mean, there's always a tension in this very money-captured system that we have that at a certain level, it doesn't really matter liberal or Republican, they are captured.

But I think what the New York City race has demonstrated is like, that can only go so far.

You still need some public support, which is why, of course, they're going after gerrymandering and all of that.

But yeah, it's an uphill battle.

But I think if this democracy is to exist...

we are in a better footing than we were, you know, on this discussion.

I also am wondering what you think of this characterization, which is that I think before this genocide, and I don't mean to create this binary, but it has been a very transformative event.

Before this genocide, I think a lot of Palestinian Americans

Organizing in Spaces discussed the issue of Palestine in a rights-based approach way.

So about human rights, about ending apartheid, about extending rights.

And I think the framing for that has also changed.

It is really a critique of settler colonialism and the legitimacy of these nation states.

First of all, what do you think of that characterization on my end?