Aisling Maloney

And actually, I'm a daughter of a sole trader.

He was trading on the square in Dungarvan for 47 years in a sports shop.

And that business could not be passed down to us because of online retailers.

The town square retailer does not survive in that way anymore.

That's a cultural thing though that we're allowing us all to run riot and everybody's running to get the newest nicest next thing that came up on the feed on these websites whereas it should be I don't think young people are that stupid and I don't think

OK.

I think this is all very... I mean, like, look, this debate, obviously, you can hear here, it's very fractious, particularly in the Dáil between government and opposition.

And even, you know, the Fianna Fáil party had concerns from backbenchers this week as well around this.

But I don't think at the moment, for certain, that...

this issue is coming up on the doors, like as in if you're talking to people, they're not talking to you about the triple lock and they're not altogether that concerned, I think, about, you know, it coming to a double lock because in fairness, it's only come in recently, but it was very clearly in the programme for government that this was going to be a feature of their government.

I don't think it's coming up.

I don't know if it's the hill that Fianna Fáil backbenchers want to die on in terms of fighting to stop Micheál Martin bringing this through.

I don't think there's that much of an exercise cohort.

I think they are concerned.

And certainly this week, Micheál Martin tried to allay their fears by kind of saying, look, it's not coming through until the autumn anyways.

But we see like this government obviously has a majority and it can bring through legislation quite quickly if it wants to.

I think as well, like if we think about in a world, obviously, where we hope that...

there is peace in Ukraine.

Like, would we want to send peacekeepers there?

It's just a question.