Alan Kohler

Right.

Okay.

So the government's current target is for 82% of the grid to be renewable, I think, by 2050, right?

So how does the demand for AI and the growth in data centers collide with that target, particularly since it's not going to be met?

There's no way that it's going to be met.

So will that mean that the use of fossil fuels, coal-fired power generation, is going to have to be extended?

And will data centers, do you think, actually mean that the planet will actually warm more than it was going to?

I'm trying to understand exactly what you're saying there.

I mean, are you saying that because it's going to be great with AI, it doesn't matter so much if the planet gets too hot?

Okay.

Anyway, let's just talk about cybersecurity for a minute because a couple of weeks ago, Anthropic was going to release a new version of Claude called Mythos.

But it pulled back because Mythos, it turns out, is some kind of super hacker and it was too dangerous, they decided, and they've given it to a few companies to kind of test and work on.

But it's a bit of a wake-up call about what AI can do to security capabilities

both national security and corporate security and personal security.

So what's your role in dealing with this stuff?

Do you have a role in running the data centers or is that up to companies like Anthropic to deal with?

Yeah, but there will be eventually, I presume.

I mean, are we entering some kind of hacking arms race, do you think?

Yeah, but you didn't answer the question about hacking.

What do you think is going to happen there?