Alan Kohler

That's right.

And you can tell with the diesels off especially because it goes dark.

It darkens.

When it's fresh, it's clear.

Fascinating.

Thanks, Carrington.

Hello, Alan Collar here with That's Business, and this week we're talking to Peter McCrory, the chief economist of Anthropic, the company that developed Clawed AI, which is the fastest growing of the large language models.

Now, we tried to get the Anthropic CEO, Dario Amadei, but we got Peter instead, which is fine because he is part of something called the Anthropic Institute, which is studying the impact of artificial intelligence on society more broadly, and also Clawed in particular.

And yes, he's got editorial independence from the company.

We'll keep trying to interview Dario Amadei and eventually we'll succeed, also other global leaders in AI.

But Peter McCrory is a terrific start because his work is based on real data, both from Claude and from the economy.

It's really about what's actually happening.

Here's the chief economist of Anthropic, Peter McCrory, talking to us from San Francisco.

Hello, Peter McCrory.

Thanks for joining us on That's Business.

It's great to be here.

Thanks for having me.

Well, Peter McCrory, I think the first question has to be, what is your job exactly?

Is it to make us all less worried about AI?

So your boss, Dario Amadei, published an essay in January on his personal website, not on Anthropic's website,