Alan Levinovitz

So I think that the...

the more something seems like it threatens either our identity, sort of spiritually or whatever you want to call it, like how we perceive ourselves as a person or a moral being, and also physically, how we perceive our safety.

Whenever something threatens those things, we activate...

a kind of fight or flight response, actually, right?

We get really threatened.

We get really angry.

That's why when someone insults your family or your kids, you get really, really upset.

And I get that.

It makes sense.

Humans should, when they are threatened in a way that could kill them or in a way that threatens their deeply held beliefs, they're going to respond that way.

But of course, it makes it hard to,

to think clearly.

I mean, I can't, I'll give you one example, Michael.

I write about this in the wired piece.

Yeah.

A lot of people with long COVID, if their kids get long COVID, child protective services will sometimes try to take their kids away.

Why is that?

It's, it's hard to imagine that,

what it would be like to be a person who's severely sick, whose kid is severely sick, and then the government comes and tries to take your kid away.

I would be sending angry emails to me all the time.