Alastair Campbell

by a number of political parties.

I would say this when I think Labour, worst offenders, listening to minority voices that they agree with, but not minority voices they disagree with.

So we have to understand why a lot of people feel really, really uncomfortable.

But if all you do is echo that discomfort, you're not serving the country.

And as I say, those of us going to politics, we don't do it for the kudos.

We don't do it for the money.

We do it because we want to make the country a better place.

Very, very badly.

Very, very, very badly.

The problem we now have got is there are some things that he was talking about which are important to discuss.

Are public servants too scared of being accused of racism to do the right thing in some of those difficult judgment call situations?

And I think there have been too many examples of

of where people, whether it's from the Manchester arena bombings, whether it's from the... Victoria Klimbie.

Sorry?

Victoria Klimbie.

Victoria Klimbie.

There have been too many where people have been scared off doing the right thing because they're worried about accusations of racism.

For us to just ignore that.

But the tone he's taken has made it harder to have those conversations because a lot of people who value our actually pretty good track record of race relations and integration

They have been dissuaded from entering into that conversation because he has amplified the polarization of the debate.