Alastair Campbell

Because there is a real tendency there to say we need absolute guarantees, absolute security, and this is our opportunity.

And we're going to push on until we get the regime change, we get the no nuclear weapons.

And one of the things that makes that possible, I think, is modern technology, the sense that suddenly you have weapons that give you the illusion that you can win wars with no consequences, that you don't have to compromise.

Great.

And such a lovely, without sounding too pro-European, such a lovely advertisement for a Norwegian.

I mean, massively multilingual, effortlessly comfortable talking about speaking to Chinese generals, being in India, Indonesia, Africa.

Anyway, it's all great.

Thank you for joining us, Alistair.

Thank you, Alistair.

Have a great day.

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The police went in there, they put up those tents.

It looked like a kind of murder scene, not a fraud investigation.

I don't know what she thought.