Alastair Campbell

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And me, Alistair Campbell.

And we're going to talk Trump v. the Pope again because he keeps rumbling on.

We are going to have a bit of a deep dive into the well-organized funding of right-wing organizations against women's rights and other issues, which will take us into Hungary, which plays a big part in that.

And then we'll maybe try and lighten up a bit because it's been a pretty...

heavy week.

But Rory, where shall we start?

Well, I was thinking about this.

So as you know, Roy, I love football, but I would not argue about football tactics with Pep Guardiola.

I wouldn't argue with Margaret Atwood about how to construct a novel.

And I would definitely not argue about theology with the Pope.

And that is not because I believe in papal infallibility.

I don't.