Alastair Campbell

And I think you and I have both spoken at Make UK conferences.

He says, I have a major bone to pick with Rory.

And his statement, glib, he calls it, the defense spending doesn't lead to economic growth.

Ask anyone in Barrow, the Clyde, Plymouth, Bristol, Yobel, Preston, even the outer Hebrides.

And he then goes on to say this.

He says, our biggest frustration is with the treasury, echoing both John Healy and Rory.

Ben Wallace, who we interviewed on Leading, they refused to consider the Defense and Security Resilience Bank, which John Healy and Number 10 have told us they liked and we love.

And this is something that I think Mark Carney has been pushing.

This is the thing that it seems to be about.

And I think when John Healy said in his resignation letter to Keir Starmer,

that the treasury were unwilling and you were unable, that I think that is what this is about.

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