Alastair Campbell

And the other thing, somebody that I was talking to in sort of spook world was saying the one thing that they really are shocked by is the extent to which Wyckoff in particular just buys the line from Putin that Russia is winning this war.

Now, the Russian economy, were it subject to a bit more pressure, and Trump did put on the sanctions on the two big oil companies, but then spoke the other day about, you know, criticizing Europe when actually he's helping the Russians because Hungary and Slovakia are still buying it.

So every time he sort of threatens something, we gratefully, breathlessly take it at face value, think it's going to happen.

Then something else happens to make us stop thinking that it was ever going to happen.

It is common ship, I think, yeah.

We have very different approaches.

Anyway, my final point is that, and it's interesting you made the point there about, because you said this when we did the episode the other day, where the American document said that Poland would host these fighter jets, and they talk about NATO hosting them.

And the other big change, thank God, is they removed all reference to this notion that there should be no comeback for war crimes.

They haven't addressed it specifically.

They've just removed

What have they done on America making 50% profits?

That has gone.

What there is is a total rewrite.

There's an acceptance that there's got to be kind of, you know, big investment, Ukrainian fund, et cetera, et cetera.

And it talks about Ukraine working with the Americans on that.

But...

all reference to the United States making 50% profit.

And what's amazing, Rory, the number of people who've said to me in the last 48 hours that our podcast was the first, including politicians, our podcast was the first time they were even aware that it had this plan for basically Trump to take 50% of all the proceeds of any reconstruction.

If you're a European leader, you talk about whether these summits are useful.

They have gone.