Alastair Campbell

I don't think the Jesus thing was a mistake.

I think it was, you know, when he posted the picture of himself as Jesus.

It's all part of the same kind of crazy stuff.

And on the just war, where you said that they're just wrong, I looked it up and found this explanation in one of the old books of the Catholic Church.

And it says, a constant tenet of the thousand-year tradition is

of just war theory is a nation can only legitimately take up the sword in self-defense once all peace efforts have failed.

That is, to be a just war, it must be a defense against another who actively wages war.

And that's why Pope Leo said he, God, does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war.

Now, I can see why that would rile up Trump,

It's because that essentially is almost saying that Iran, in the current set of circumstances, has a greater justification to defend itself because it has come under attack.

So that, I think, goes to the heart of it.

But, you know, where you're absolutely right, and of course, this is interesting territory for you because, I mean, when was it you got into a real row with J.D.

Vance, none other than J.D.

Vance, when you, that was over Ordo Amoris, wasn't it?

Yeah.

There's a couple of things that just underline this point that it's all about him.

So, for example, when he was quizzed by a journalist the other day and somebody mentioned the gospel, the Pope was explaining the gospel.

And Trump's response was this.

He made a note.

I'm all about the gospel.