Alastair Campbell

Because I'm assuming that if we had really clever people in the UK, the sorts of money that these American companies are offering of starting salaries for some of the brightest of the best are

of a scale that is unimaginable for a government to be funding.

And generally- Well, you seem to think yes and no is the answer to that.

Yes, the Americans could, and indeed currently have.

And secondly, no, Europe couldn't.

It's always worked out in the past.

We'll come to UK defense in a minute, but how much of this is about the ongoing battle between the Trump administration and this specific company, Anthropic?

They had a difficulty with the Pentagon.

when they basically said they would not allow the Pentagon to do certain things with their gear that they wanted to do, and that led to them attacking them.

They've called the CEO an ideological lunatic, and they've said that Anthropic is all about trying to create woke AI, whatever that means.

So is this Anthropic model ahead of everything else?

And how much of the motivation to do what the White House announced last week is actually about this company and how much is about the sort of making of a new weapon that you talked about?

Am I right in saying that it's not that they can't export it to Brits, Australians, Germans, French, Koreans, etc.

But non-Americans inside the United States can't have access to it.

Absolutely, which removes... Which is completely unpoliceable, I thought.

And I've got to say, Roy, this issue, AI and also defence in the context of John Healy and Al Khan resigning from the government, were the issues we got the most questions about this week.

Let's start with this one from Charlie.

On British defence, what do we do now?

We're getting run into the ground here.

Robert, has Al Khan's got a legitimate chance of being Labour leader?