Alastair Campbell

We've got to go into Iran now because we don't go in now.

This is our only opportunity.

They're going to get stronger.

They're going to get a new one.

One of the things that I was just thinking right at the very end that he was saying there is he was talking about compromise, not always getting everything that you want, not always getting the absolute security.

And that really resonated with me when I'm thinking about Netanyahu in Israel.

Because there is a real tendency there to say we need absolute guarantees, absolute security, and this is our opportunity.

And we're going to push on until we get the regime change, we get the no nuclear weapons.

And one of the things that makes that possible, I think, is modern technology, the sense that suddenly you have weapons that give you the illusion that you can win wars with no consequences, that you don't have to compromise.

Great.

And such a lovely, without sounding too pro-European, such a lovely advertisement for a Norwegian.

I mean, massively multilingual, effortlessly comfortable talking about speaking to Chinese generals, being in India, Indonesia, Africa.

Anyway, it's all great.

Thank you for joining us, Alistair.

Thank you, Alistair.

Have a great day.

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