Alastair Campbell

We became wealthy and powerful and influential in the age of steam because we had first move advantage on an energy source.

And if we want to stay top table, we've got to understand that

particularly in the modern day and age, all comes down to energy policy.

We're labouring completely the wrong place.

One word for each?

Yeah, have a phrase or just give us a sense of your assessment of those three that you...

So Rishi, I think, could have been a great prime minister if the circumstances were different when he stepped in.

I think we'd lost that.

We'd lost the 24 election.

I think a lot of people around him got very, very panicky.

We made bad decisions through the campaign, lead up to the campaign, which really, really didn't help.

I think Liz became so driven by wanting to prove a point.

that she lost track of some of the fundamentals of politics.

And what was the point?

Well, the point she wanted to make is, you've laughed at me my whole career, but look at now, I'm prime minister now, and I'm going to do the things that you told me were impossible.

And she set about... And the thing with her, she did two...

Things simultaneously, which were contradictory.

One, she advocated a big reduction of taxation in order to get the economy rolling.

And then at the same time, a massive, incredibly expensive fiscal support package.

And you can't do both.