Alastair Campbell

And Lindsay Hoyle, the parliamentary speaker, exploded today at the idea it might be tomorrow when most MPs are away.

And I guess it also begs the question, where does this leave Keir Starmer on the authority front?

So, Rory, where would you like to start with what is quite big news?

Oh, it is pretty grim.

When you look at the numbers of size of armed forces, equipment and kit that is available to us, this is why the defence spending issue is so fraught.

Because the truth is, everybody accepts that we need to spend more defence, but other ministers have fought very hard to protect their own budgets.

And John Healy's clearly decided, this is not enough.

I can't carry on being the person speaking up for strong defence if I don't believe that we're actually providing it.

Because that's why that line was so devastating.

Because

There's no more, there's really very few things I can think you can say of a prime minister than you're not keeping the country safe, which is, of course, what Kemi Bade, not the Tory leader, has leapt upon.

I think you talk about the politics of this.

I mean, I wouldn't rule out John Healey.

thinking that he might be a leadership contender.

I mean, John Healy is a very interesting guy.

He's been around for a long time.

And he's been a minister or shadow minister pretty much all of his career.

He came in in 1997 when we won the first of Tony Blair's three terms.

His background's in the trade unions.

He's a very pretty effective operator on