Alastair Campbell

I also don't think it is useful.

I disagree with it fundamentally, but the point I'm saying is for us to turn around and say, oh, this is outrageous and they shouldn't do it.

It's like you point a finger at someone, you've got three fingers pointing back at yourself.

And if we become uncritical or if we don't analyze ourselves and understand what's happening and why, I think we'll keep getting wrong footage.

So firstly, lots of people call it out, so I disagree.

Have you called that out?

Lying?

The lies that they tell?

So if I were to spend my entire time correcting things I disagree with online, I would get no work done.

Correct.

But it is important.

And when it was my job, I did highlight misinformation, disinformation, factual errors.

But the point I'm making is that the way this White House conducts itself is unprecedented.

It is unprecedented.

But also, it's the White House that is currently running America, and that is one of, if not the most important bilateral relationships the UK has, and we have got to make it work.

And this is one of these things with diplomacy that...

and foreign affair.

I don't like the word diplomacy because it kind of implies you're being terribly diplomatic.

You're not, you know, international relations, foreign relations.

You've got to make the relationships work that need to work.