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Alejandra Borunda

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

Yeah, and you have identified something that many scientists are now working on because they also want to know more quickly. A new study actually just came out right before the COP meeting that uses an approach that is a little more snapshot-y, and it says we're probably closer to 1.4 C.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

Yeah, and you have identified something that many scientists are now working on because they also want to know more quickly. A new study actually just came out right before the COP meeting that uses an approach that is a little more snapshot-y, and it says we're probably closer to 1.4 C.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

And I just, I know that sounds scary, but to be clear, that's not really how anyone thinks about this. It's just one year. And scientists know that temperatures bop around a lot because of things like El Nino or just like a randomly hot year. And so that's why they do that approach that looks at the longer term averages in the first place. But it's also not a great sign.

Short Wave
This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

And I just, I know that sounds scary, but to be clear, that's not really how anyone thinks about this. It's just one year. And scientists know that temperatures bop around a lot because of things like El Nino or just like a randomly hot year. And so that's why they do that approach that looks at the longer term averages in the first place. But it's also not a great sign.

Short Wave
This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

And I just, I know that sounds scary, but to be clear, that's not really how anyone thinks about this. It's just one year. And scientists know that temperatures bop around a lot because of things like El Nino or just like a randomly hot year. And so that's why they do that approach that looks at the longer term averages in the first place. But it's also not a great sign.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

It's so hard because the reality is warming past 1.5 really does present these real existential threats to a lot of people around the world. Like the Pacific island nation of Vanuatu, for example, it could literally end up underwater if sea levels rise too far. And that's a real risk. The farther warming gets past 1.5 C. Here's Abraham Nassak in their Ministry of Climate Change.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

It's so hard because the reality is warming past 1.5 really does present these real existential threats to a lot of people around the world. Like the Pacific island nation of Vanuatu, for example, it could literally end up underwater if sea levels rise too far. And that's a real risk. The farther warming gets past 1.5 C. Here's Abraham Nassak in their Ministry of Climate Change.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

It's so hard because the reality is warming past 1.5 really does present these real existential threats to a lot of people around the world. Like the Pacific island nation of Vanuatu, for example, it could literally end up underwater if sea levels rise too far. And that's a real risk. The farther warming gets past 1.5 C. Here's Abraham Nassak in their Ministry of Climate Change.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

Yeah, but I think it's also important to know that passing that 1.5 level, it's not like falling off a cliff. It's more like we're playing a dice game that gets more and more loaded. Like the probability that bad things happen gets higher. Yeah, exactly.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

Yeah, but I think it's also important to know that passing that 1.5 level, it's not like falling off a cliff. It's more like we're playing a dice game that gets more and more loaded. Like the probability that bad things happen gets higher. Yeah, exactly.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

Yeah, but I think it's also important to know that passing that 1.5 level, it's not like falling off a cliff. It's more like we're playing a dice game that gets more and more loaded. Like the probability that bad things happen gets higher. Yeah, exactly.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

But I do, I like want to stress that it's not like we wake up one morning past this 1.5 level and have all of these things just like happen at once. Got it. Okay. Andrew Jarvis is a climate scientist at Lancaster University in the UK. And he's an author of that new study I mentioned before, the one that tells us that we're closer to 1.4 than 1.3.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

But I do, I like want to stress that it's not like we wake up one morning past this 1.5 level and have all of these things just like happen at once. Got it. Okay. Andrew Jarvis is a climate scientist at Lancaster University in the UK. And he's an author of that new study I mentioned before, the one that tells us that we're closer to 1.4 than 1.3.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

But I do, I like want to stress that it's not like we wake up one morning past this 1.5 level and have all of these things just like happen at once. Got it. Okay. Andrew Jarvis is a climate scientist at Lancaster University in the UK. And he's an author of that new study I mentioned before, the one that tells us that we're closer to 1.4 than 1.3.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

And he's like, honestly, it's very obvious what all of this should tell us.

Short Wave
This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

And he's like, honestly, it's very obvious what all of this should tell us.

Short Wave
This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

And he's like, honestly, it's very obvious what all of this should tell us.

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This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

And there's this, like, other issue kind of lurking here, which is that no one wants to admit that 1.5 might be almost out of reach. I talked with David Victor. He's a professor of innovation and public policy, and specifically he focuses on climate policy at the University of California, San Diego. And he was pretty clear about it.

Short Wave
This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

And there's this, like, other issue kind of lurking here, which is that no one wants to admit that 1.5 might be almost out of reach. I talked with David Victor. He's a professor of innovation and public policy, and specifically he focuses on climate policy at the University of California, San Diego. And he was pretty clear about it.

Short Wave
This COP29, It's All About The Numbers

And there's this, like, other issue kind of lurking here, which is that no one wants to admit that 1.5 might be almost out of reach. I talked with David Victor. He's a professor of innovation and public policy, and specifically he focuses on climate policy at the University of California, San Diego. And he was pretty clear about it.