Alex Cleland

where they trialed this, I'd never followed up on it to see if it actually worked, where they had every single retail store had the exact same retail price, but there was a margin, every single retail store had to achieve a certain margin, profit margin, based on this retail price.

And that made it possible for them to pay their staff, to pay their bills, the rest of it.

And it also made, from the consumer's point of view, they were able to go into any store and pay the exact same price

That sort of thing would be fantastic.

That would be an ideal situation whereby you've got retailers that could afford to stay in business.

They can make a profit, which means they can reinvest in their staff.

They can reinvest in their business because if they don't make a profit, they don't survive.

And then you've got the producers.

They make the money they need to survive and to reinvest in their business and reinvest in new products, innovation.

And that would be an ideal situation, but that's not going to happen.

And the government can't force that to happen either.

So the only way for them to actually make a big difference is reduce this massive need for taxes.

If they reduce that need, prices will come down.

The cost of energy will come down.

I mean, it's just, it's madness to think that they can't realize that the more tax that we need,

the prices are going to go up.

They push up minimum wages.

This has been happening.

I remember in 1997 when they did this social partnership thing with the trade unions.

The trade unions, to me, odd idea.