Alex Cooper

Even you speaking, right, we're talking about objectification because we as women experience that every day and then you're dealing with it on the world stage.

I also love it because you have a pattern of challenging norms.

And you refuse to shrink or to conform to the patriarchy, which I love.

And in your book, you talk about learning that, quote, if you can't beat them, work their fascination to your advantage.

It's one of my favorite quotes, truly, because it's so relatable.

Yeah.

Like from a very young age as women, we learn how to shapeshift essentially.

And we constantly- We have to.

We have to.

It's unavoidable, right?

Biologically.

Talk to me about your outfit.

How did you pick it?

We have to acknowledge that women just have such a different standard that we're held to.

And I appreciate you acknowledging that.

Yes, there is a different level of privilege as the two of us sitting here right now and the outfit choices that we're making.

Yes, we can decide to send a message that we're wearing.

But it a lot of times right now in our position, we are not being

held to, well, you wore that so you're not gonna get the job now.

But if you rewound to our lives, like when I was a younger girl, I did dress a specific way because I knew I was in a male dominated industry and I knew I would have a better time if I wore a tighter shirt because the guy would maybe give me more attention.