Alex Cooper

We have to acknowledge the game.

And I think for a while, potentially, especially with feminists and everything, we felt weird being like, no, play the game because it feels like we are twisting something and we're being sneaky.

And it's like, no, no, no, no.

We are the other.

We are the other.

So when we are coming in, it's we're always playing someone else's game as women.

We are the other sex.

So it's OK if you are trying to move a certain way because we live in a man's world and

And so you have to sometimes placate and smile and do these things.

But if you get your message across, that's kind of all that matters.

If you get what you wanted to get done.

Something as you're saying that to bring men into this conversation, which I was watching your speech in 2016 today when you were the whole speech was really about women and you were there for Hillary.

And it was such a beautiful moment because you're like.

And men, men listening.

And I think sometimes I don't want ever to have men leave the conversation and be like, oh, I guess it's not about me.

And it's us against you and it's a whole thing.

So I think to bring men into this conversation, you've talked about some really important male figures in your life.

You've talked about your father, your brother, your husband.

How do we bring men in and make them allies and partners to help solve these issues?

Because women cannot do this alone.