Alex Cooper

We need them.

But that's why even just this conversation, Michelle, it's like, I can already see it just like,

Clipping that, having that out there for people to consume what you're just saying.

Like, I do think I can recognize as a woman as much as you think, oh, my God, like, I hate these frickin' men.

That is going to help all of us get closer to this goal of we do deserve to be equal to men.

We really do and we still aren't.

And so it's like, you have to allow the people who are in the position of power to let us in.

And so to completely alienate them, I think a lot of men in this generation are like, I don't even know what I'm supposed to do.

I guess like women just fucking hate me.

I'm just gonna sit over here and it's like, no, no, no, no.

Do not, we cannot lose their attention.

And I think this message is important.

You said that not going to Trump's inauguration was an act of getting even more comfortable saying no, regardless of what people think, which was so powerful because as women, that's how we're trained.

People, please say yes at all costs.

Has getting comfortable with saying no changed your perspective about your very famous line, when they go low, we go high?

And do you think that the message still applies given the enormity of what women are up against today?

Michelle...

I need to hang out with you more.

Okay.

Wow.